Anonymous #1 1d

Clearly neither do pagans bc there’s nothing good abt any of those false gods

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Anonymous OP 1d

All Gods are false

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Anonymous #1 1d

Impossible

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Anonymous OP 1d

All Gods are false and especially whatever bullshit God you worship

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Anonymous #1 1d

In order for there to be movement there has to be an unmoved mover. Thats God. There literally can’t be anything without a God

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Anonymous OP 1d

Who says there has to be a mover?

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Anonymous #1 1d

Aristotle

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Anonymous #1 1d

Essentially the same as air not being able to move without Clouds

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Anonymous OP 1d

Air is what moves clouds lmaoooooo

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Anonymous #1 1d

Air is a mover yes your getting it

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Anonymous OP 1d

You said clouds are what move air my guy, stop contradicting yourself

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Anonymous #1 1d

In order for the wind to move the clouds to create more wind, there had to have been an original gust. Unmoved mover

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Anonymous OP 1d

Okay so you’re not going to believe this but there actually is a faraway insanely powerful force that creates the wind. It’s called the Sun.

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Anonymous OP 1d

It’s so funny how Christians think their best argument is “everything needs to be started by something else except my God because he’s special.”

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Anonymous #2 1d

In b4 “well who do you think created the sun”

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Anonymous #1 1d

Actually I was gonna say the sun is a mover

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Anonymous #3 1d

Do you think it would just make sense that the whole universe just popped up out of nowhere?

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Anonymous OP 1d

You think it somehow makes more sense that a God just popped up out of nowhere?

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Anonymous OP 1d

I don’t understand the physics behind it but no one is saying the universe just popped out of nowhere

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Anonymous #2 1d

So the alternative to that is that there had to have been a creator…

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Anonymous OP 1d

Makes more sense than a sky being making bipedal apes in his image and then picking one ethnic group as his favorite and then changing his mind and sending his son who is also himself to earth to die as a sacrifice to himself so he can forgive the apes and then a spirit which is also himself is bestowed as a gift to the apes

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Anonymous #1 1d

It makes more sense that an all powerful being created the earth then it just appearing out of nowhere yes

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Anonymous OP 1d

If God is exempt from having to be created by a mover before him, why can’t the universe? Why does this first mover need to be a thinking being at all? Why can’t the universe have always existed in a cycle of collapse and expansion?

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Anonymous OP 1d

Lmaoooooooo

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Anonymous #3 1d

Which ethnic group is his favourite

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Anonymous #3 1d

Because God is the Unmoved mover that would logically exist

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Anonymous OP 1d

I believe the alternative is that something to do with quantum physics and unequal spontaneous creation of matter and antimatter, which I’m not personally well versed in enough to explain it

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Anonymous OP 1d

Why does it have to be a God tho?

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Anonymous #1 1d

Who or what else could it possibly be?

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’m not making a claim that there is necessarily something to begin with, that’s literally what you have been doing

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Anonymous OP 1d

I think there’s a whole Old Testament about it

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Anonymous #3 1d

Or, get this, why can’t we just shut up and respect other people’s religious beliefs

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Anonymous OP 1d

What logic dictates that?

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Anonymous #2 1d

Aristotles logic

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Anonymous #4 1d

I’d like them to but I’m mainly just trying to convince them that there has to be a God

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Anonymous #3 1d

Which one

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Anonymous OP 1d

Why does it have to have consciousness? Why can’t the universe itself be the unmoved mover? You’re using Ancient Greek philosophy to try to retrofit religious beliefs originating in the Bronze Age to the modern universe, which doesn’t work. I’d argue that at least Hindu concepts of endless universal rebirth is more compatible with modern astronomy, way more than the evangelized descendent of ancient Yahwism which you are advocating for. Still not a Hindu though.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Even if (and that’s a big if) there is a mover, why specifically is that mover the God you so happen to believe in and why are all the other Gods not the movers?

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Anonymous OP 1d

You are the problem

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Anonymous #3 1d

Like the ancient Israelites and Judeans believed in a supreme thunder God who favored their tribe in particular and actively competed with other deities. It’s a pretty simply concept. And now we’re trying to get all vague and cosmological about it.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Because the other ones are easily disproven

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Anonymous OP 1d

Why is God exempt from needing to be moved by something else? Who moved God?

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Anonymous #3 1d

Ya no God doesn’t have a favorite people

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Anonymous OP 1d

Hey man we have a more informed idea of the universe than the Ancient Greeks

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Anonymous #4 1d

Son I’m crine

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Anonymous OP 1d

Nonono, why is it specifically your God?

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Anonymous #3 1d

I mean yeah. The people wanted a physical God so they told them that the Gods were at the top of Mount Olympus and if they climbed it they would die. It’s was obv made up

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Anonymous #1 1d

Like I said because the others are disproven

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Anonymous OP 1d

Pfffft

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Anonymous OP 1d

And how is your interpretation of your favored version of the bible proven?

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Anonymous OP 1d

How is Kali disproven in a way Yahweh isn’t?

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Anonymous OP 1d

That’s an argument for disproving the others, not proving how you know this hypothetical creator perfectly aligns with the God you worship

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Anonymous OP 1d

Oh physical manifestations of the worshipped deity. You mean like the Ark of the Covenant?

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Anonymous OP 1d

Old Testament very explicitly refers to the Israelites as his chosen people. God orders genocides of other ethnic groups because they were in the way (ex Jericho)

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Anonymous #3 1d

Yahweh originates as the patron deity of a subset of Canaanite religion. The development, origins, and traditions of early Judaism are very in line with neighboring faith traditions. A leader god is over time placed in a more supreme position, until it is not recognizable as polytheism anymore. This also occurred in Hinduism and Zoroastrianism.

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