Anonymous #1 9w

they would be wrong

2

Anonymous justinian 9w

it seems like you’re persistently focusing on semantics rather than the actual content of the topic. sure, the term itself is not explicitly applicable to the United States, but the point is that America has always had fascistic traits. as other commenter aptly pointed out in your other post, this country was founded as a genocidal ethnostate with the vast majority of its history being one of egregious oppression.

0

Anonymous #2 9w

then we must take into consideration the overwhelming inspiration that this country had on the formation and operations on fascist regimes throughout the 20th century, even being cited by Hitler as a source of inspiration (specifically, our history of race-based chattel slavery and subsequent Jim Crow segregation laws)

0

Anonymous #2 9w

I’d go as far as to argue that American systems of oppression were the predecessors to fascism in the 20th century. so technically, you’re correct, but not in the way you think.

0

Anonymous #2 9w

Honest question. How would you feel if I said Revolutionary France in the 1790s was Marxist-Leninist?

5

Anonymous justinian 9w

I’d say that Marxist-Leninism didn’t exist yet, but that does not mean that revolutionary France in the 1790s did not share many qualities with what would later be dubbed Marxist-Leninism. I’d also say there are others here much more educated on the topic than I am myself, so I recommend you redirect that question to them.

0

Anonymous justinian 9w

Additionally, did you know that when you preface something with “honest question” while avoiding the entirety of what was said to you, it does not in fact make it an honest question. did you want to respond to my actual comments, or will it be another “honest question”?

0

Anonymous justinian 9w

since when does fascism only exist in one historical context? the term itself is not limited to that like marxism-leninism is

3

Anonymous #1 9w

yes it is limited like that

1

Anonymous #2 9w

You’re right about the Indigenous American genocide inspiring Hitler. You’re right that anti-Black racism was and is toleration and authoritarian. I think the part that you are missing is that fascism is more than just racism and nationalism, it is a philosophy about corporate and state power devoting ultimate service to a highly centralized state. The state is everything in fascism, even above race. Id say America is to fascism what Revolutionary France is to later schools of Communism.

0

Anonymous #1 9w

I would argue that the 1700s didn’t even have the material conditions necessary for fascism. That doesn’t mean the US wasn’t very racist and expansionist, it just means that the US was not and could not have been that particular system of government. It would be like saying Revolutionary France was Leninist. Sure, there are parallels and even some connections through inspiration, but those are still different systems in different material conditions.

1

Anonymous justinian 9w

I am right about this one though

3

Anonymous justinian 9w

It seems I need to ask whether you read my initial comments? I did not say the United States is fascist, I specifically said that it’s not applicable, but that we have always had fascistic traits (meaning some, not all). I also stated how I’d go as far as to argue that the United States could be linked as a direct predecessor to modern fascism, given how much an influential role our systems of oppression have been in the creation of some of the defining regimes of fascism in the 20th century.

1

Anonymous justinian 9w

I wouldn’t even necessary disagree with your statement regarding the connection between the US and fascism being similar to the connection between revolutionary France and Marxism.

1

Anonymous justinian 9w

That makes sense but I guess I don’t see the need to disagree so heavily if you can see that there are parallels

4

Anonymous justinian 9w

Fair, i think a lot of us are working on similar things especially when it comes to political discourse on the internet

6

Anonymous #1 9w

I got a little carried away

3

Anonymous #1 9w

<3

6