Anonymous #1 1w

Nah it’s a psyop. You demotivate people that’s how you stop them from voting. If that’s not the intent it has the same end conclusion.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Hmm true, that might be the case

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

It’s a psyop it’s a recognition of how incompetent and collaborationist the dems are (something you, as a blue MAGa shill are part of)

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Anonymous #2 1w

I agree it is a psyop, I know we should scream into the void of the internet instead of voting very true king. When did I support a democrat collaborating with Trump?

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

You’re a neoliberal you literally do nothing but cry about progressives on here… so literally every time you post because the current stance of the Dems rn is literally that we should give Trump money to continue building concentration camps, but the gestapo have to be polite when abducting people.

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Anonymous #2 1w

That might be a valid point if Dems like Josh Shapiro weren’t blocking the construction of these camps too

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Anonymous #1 1w

Dems in congress want to give ICE billions of dollars.

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Anonymous #2 1w

For body cameras 😭

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Anonymous #2 1w

Give an example what’s something I’ve said that an example of anything you said? To my knowledge not a single dem in either the house or senate voted for the BBB what are you referencing?

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Anonymous #2 1w

Then why did they all vote against a bill that did that?

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Literally the battle over funding this past month? They literally said they’re willing to fund ICE as long as they take off the masks and wear body cams dude.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Why did Dems vote months later to fund ICE then?

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Anonymous #1 1w

So body cameras was just one of the concessions they’ve been negotiating for. They’re also pushing for officers to be unmask and identify themselves, obtain judicial warrants in certain cases and work with local authorities. So nice try being dishonest.

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Anonymous #2 1w

ICE is already funded thanks to the BBB, so it can’t be that they’re willing to solely fund ICE

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Anonymous #2 1w

Show the bill where they voted to fund ICE pls

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Anonymous #2 1w

They haven’t asked for two things why are you lying? People shouldn’t vote bc democrats are negotiating to limit ice. Thats why people shouldn’t vote?

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

And there it is, the lying and dishonesty. Where did I ever say people shouldn’t vote? All I expressed was that odds are, that dems would do Trump’s bidding anyways (like they largely have been for a year).

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Anonymous #2 1w

What do you think the implication of that is dipshit? If the democratic base overwhelmingly doesn’t want compromise with Trump and you’re saying they’ll do that regardless, what is the implication?

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Anonymous #2 1w

But that’s ok you just need to clarify. So to be clear people should vote for democrats?

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Anonymous #2 1w

I feel like you’re not one to talk about lying and dishonesty considering that you’ve left pretty important details out of almost everything you’ve said

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Vote for leftist dems that won’t do that?

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Already expressed that they should. They should vote for actual dems, not the closet republicans you support. Every single conservative dem needs to be primaried out.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Wow we are trying our best to be dishonest. I’m not talking about primaries dipshit, that’s very obvious. If it’s an election between a Republican and we’ll say a moderate democrat who should people vote for?

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Anonymous #2 1w

What “closet Republican” do I support?

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Anonymous #2 1w

Pls name one

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Anonymous #2 1w

I’m going to take the fact that you can’t cite the bill as an admission that you lied btw

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Anonymous #1 1w

Obviously they’re lying. That’s why they’re leaving out context on the negotiations and the big beautiful bill. That’s why they’ve been saying I support all of these “closeted republicans” but they can’t name one. They’re either lying or they’re so unaware that it’s just as bad as lying.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Literally Chuck Schumer dude. Schumer is a republican. He does whatever they want him to because being obstructionist or pushing back in any way would be “divisive”, they love their beloved, shitty fake republic more than they care to actually protect the American people. This was demonstrated when he failed to maintain the shutdown.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Also two post ago I was talking about how they should primary fetterman but yes I’m blue maga so true.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I just have to know who’s paying you to lie like this when it’s so easily fact-checked 😭

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Anonymous #2 1w

I don’t think I even support Chuck Schumer that much I think his choice on the shut down was 100% questionable. But he rallied support for the subsidies, he made the Trump admin look insane for trying to use food stamps as leverage and he got the Epstein files out. That was a rough period for Trump. Maybe depending on if they lose the aca subsides I’ll agree it was a bad move, but to say he’s a republican is such an online take.

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Anonymous #2 1w

But answer the question should people vote for a moderate dem over a Republican?

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

If they lose the ACA subsidies? You mean the things that are already gone? That we lost because dems gave up and let the BBB happen in exchange for a promise on a vote (and then we didn’t even get the promised vote, which would’ve been a loss anyways)

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Anonymous #2 1w

“Let the BBB happen” oh ok so you’re stupid, right? They literally all voted no

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Moderate dem obviously? Between Franco and Hitler you vote for Franco, but let’s not delude ourselves that conservative dems are meaningfully on a different side from Trump.

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Anonymous #1 1w

They ended the shutdown… allowing that vote to take place, in exchange for a nonbinding promise for a vote on ACA subsidies. So yes, they literally made it possible, because 6 dems broke ranks and did it, and very blatantly did this with the tacit support of Schumer and other moderates.

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Anonymous #2 1w

So that’s not the BBB then.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Dude the shutdown happened because they were blocking the BBB… the purpose of ending the shutdown was to let the BBB pass.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Are you misinformed or lying? I can’t tell anymore

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yes and what made it possible to hold a vote on it?

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Anonymous #2 1w

Sure after looking into now I think I would be critical of chuck Schumer for opening up the government I wasn’t aware the aca subsides died in the senate. Regardless I wouldn’t call him a republican.

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Anonymous #2 1w

But if thats the proof that all center left dems are secretly Republican bc 7 dems voted to open the government up, idk thats pretty delusional. I’m pretty critical of some dems, I would probably be critical of those seven.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Also chuck didn’t vote to open up the government but I think he takes some responsibility as leader.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Congress was in session. That’s pretty basic.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

The government kind of had to be opened at that point. SNAP ran out and it became clear that republicans don’t care if their constituents starve. There was no sign of them budging

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Anonymous #1 1w

Sure but even that’s true, you shouldn’t make the demand if your not gonna follow through in my opinion bc then you get this insane person who’s gonna use this to fuel their conspiracy that dems are secretly plotting with republicans. I thought courts were forcing Trump to use emergency funds for food stamps so they had a while longer?

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Anonymous #1 1w

Oh nevermind the Supreme Court blocked the lower court lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

“center left” lmao. the mainstream dems are center right

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Anonymous #1 1w

Still at that point let republicans eat shit, I think it’s ridiculous that democrats have to concede grown bc Republican rather have their constituents starve then extend healthcare subsidies. You can’t use Americans as political shields and get away with it.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

It’s his job to keep them in control, the fact that he didn’t, and also didn’t criticize them for it suggests they were just fall guys (because they weren’t seeking reelection) for the establishment

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Anonymous #1 1w

every day it went on the odds of them completely losing the midterms went up

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Anonymous #2 1w

That’s cool you have that imaginary standard in your head, idk.

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Anonymous #1 1w

and? they were unable to vote on it until dems defected to open the government

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Anonymous #2 1w

Thank you for rephrasing what I said in a longer way.

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Anonymous #2 1w

The BBB was passed 3 months before the government shutdown omfg

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Anonymous #2 1w

They had votes every single day. Congress can vote on things while the government isn’t funded.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I was thinking of the wrong funding fight 😭

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Anonymous #1 1w

Can’t vote to fund ICE though!

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Anonymous #2 1w

Just sit this out girlie. This is BASIC

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Anonymous #1 1w

My b i’ve been reading/responding between doing something else and got turned around. My actual point literally still stands though, why were dems betraying their own party in order to help fund ICE and gut the ACA, effectively kicking millions off healthcare? Why are dems as of this past month saying they’re okay with giving ICE billions more so long as they wear masks and cameras (two things that do nothing to actually stop their abuses)

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Anonymous #2 1w

They’re negotiating for more than two things why do you keep repeating this lol? Would you prefer that dems kept the government closed and had people starving? it’s so dishonest how you summarize these events.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

because that’s representative of basically all they negotiated for. they were negotiating for a bunch of stuff that would in no meaningful way hinder ICE’s terrorism, and also which had no way of even enforcing any of their rules if agreed to. yes, the government should’ve stayed close, no matter what. because guess what the consequences of it opening will now be? even more people dying than would’ve.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I like how all moderate dems are secretly Republican but for some reason they’re trying to put limitations on ice and they closed the government to try to leverage some concessions. Ig they’re just doing it for fun idk.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Wdym how are more people dying now? No it's not, you don't think requiring judicial warrants is meaningful or limiting ice activity at hospitals or schools is meaningful? That's how congress works they don't enforce laws what a meaningless statement. True congress shouldn't make any laws then.

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Anonymous #2 1w

And I would even disagree with you, they should have kept the government shut down but notice how I don’t summarize it as dems gutting the aca? Bc that’s a dishonest retelling of what happened.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Everything they’ve said is a dishonest retelling of what happened lmao

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Anonymous #1 1w

Yeah this about the average convo with a lefty person.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

This is definitely on the worse end for me lmao

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

i mean clearly they are doing it just for fun because they folded in exchange for literally nothing

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

the government stays closed and people go hungry. the government opens and 11 million people lose healthcare and hundreds of thousands die in the various ways our private healthcare system kills

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Anonymous #1 1w

you people live in another reality. every time blue wave opens their mouth, state dept lies come out

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Anonymous #2 1w

It wasn’t for nothing they got concession they didn’t get their main concession.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Lmao that was the most vibed out calculation. What are you referencing for this?

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

what did they get in exchange for giving ICE an extra $75b and would you say it’s worth it?

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Anonymous #2 1w

I agree we do live in different realities, but notice how when I was faced with conflicting information I changed my mind? But sure I’m the delusional one is this convo.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

the fact that hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths occur due to our healthcare system and now millions more have no coverage?

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Anonymous #2 1w

I’m not sure how to explain to you that the BBB gave them $75B and there was nothing democrats could do about that. Holy shit 😭

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

if you actually changed your mind in the face of conflicting information you wouldn’t be a neoliberal in 2026…

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Anonymous #2 1w

42 million people rely on food stamps lol. It’s ok if that’s your vibe calculation but just state that lol.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Again they all voted against the big beautiful bill.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Which is not what I’m referring to? The DHS is currently shutdown due to a funding dispute. The Dems’ demands are literally the most pathetic, do nothing things, hence why I’m upset that they’re willing to fund ICE again in exchange for nothing. This isn’t about the BBB

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Anonymous #2 1w

lol very true I would just agree with you. I’m not a neoliberal but ok.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

And in every prior shutdown SNAP remained funded, because there are measures in place for it. This is a conflict against literal ontological demons, if republicans want to starve the American people, they should try and see what happens, and see where they end up when it causes them to lose control of the government.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

This mf talking about changing minds in the face of conflicting information and they still don’t understand what the OBBBA was 😭

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Anonymous #2 1w

You said “they gave ICE $75B”. That never happened. Democrats never did that — not a single one. That happened in the OBBBA, which *not a single Democrat voted for*

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Anonymous #2 1w

How are they pathetic? How is forcing ice agents to identify themselves, get search warrants, wear body cams and stay away from churches, schools and hospitals, among other things pathetic? These are the main things wrong with ice currently?

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Anonymous #1 1w

I know what the fucking BBB is. I got mixed up which conversation I was responding to. Again, you can’t claim to be willing to change your mind yet be a neoliberal, when the last 25+ years (presumably your whole lives) have consisted of basically a continuous steam of empirical evidence that it is a ruinous, defective worldview.

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Anonymous #2 1w

They did it and nothing happened. No riots in the streets. Plenty of republicans blamed democrats when their own representatives took their food and healthcare away

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Anonymous #2 1w

“Willing to fund ICE again” implies that ICE currently has no funding, which is not true

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Because their demands include no way to actually enforce these things ? Because body cams and taking off masks doesn’t actually do anything to stop them from being violent? Having to get warrants makes things marginally harder for them I guess? You’ve let the mask slip, you’re fundamentally cool with us having a secret police force that kidnaps people on the street, you just want them to be slightly more polite about it. ICE existing at all is wrong, the DHS needs to be abolished, and it’s

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Anonymous #2 1w

leadership put on trial.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Snap wasn’t funded, the executive and the Supreme Court weren’t allowing it to be funded. I don’t know if your being dishonest or if your this lost in the convo we’ve already talked this.

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Anonymous #2 1w

“Marginally harder” and it’s convincing a judge you have probable cause to arrest or search…lmfao

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Yes that’s literally what I said? The existing law enabled snap to be funded. Republicans intentionally chose to use starvation as a weapon, Dems should not have caved, because if the Republicans did that, they’d be obliterated in 2026 and 2028, which has to happen. This is literally a matter of saving the world at this point, either MAGA is defeated electorally and then destroyed legally or we’re going to die in a nuclear war at this rate.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Bc it’s congress, congress doesn’t enforce laws how would you have them enforce this? Yes it does if ice agents feel like them can be doxed they’re less likely to be violent. I’m not defending ICE do you think dems can make ice not exist is that realistic goal to stop all internal immigration enforcement? This is so delusional.

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Anonymous #1 1w

You do realize they appoint the judges right? There are hundreds of far right, Trump appointed judges that already rubber stamp things for conservative interests, without sound legal basis. Ffs cops still murder innocent people in their homes (with warrants signed by judges). Needing a warrant is hardly a barrier at all

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Anonymous #2 1w

Who’s putting them on trial? What do you think congress does? Did you take government in high school?

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Anonymous #2 1w

Immigration advocacy groups disagree with you and I’m sure they have far more experience than you on this. Do you know what would happen if ICE could sign their own warrants? Every single Spanish-speaking person would be in detention in a matter of weeks

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Anonymous #2 1w

Not all federal judges were picked by Trump what a stupid point.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

No… because the concessions they’re demanding don’t involve any legal mechanism. They aren’t asking for a law that would require ICE to do those things, that could then be enforced by the courts, they’re literally asking for a pinky promise. The government could agree to their terms and then just not uphold their end of the deal with zero consequences, other than that making the deal would be bad PR for them.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

They very clearly did not

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Yes, the abolition of ICE and the DHS is not only a realistic goal it is a moral imperative. The DHS is barely two decades old, and was explicitly created to make Americans less free, that’s its purpose. It not only can be destroyed but needs to be. Any democrat opposed to abolishing ICE is a republican, and needs to be primaried out of office.

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Anonymous #2 1w

That’s not what you said lol but ok. I agree they shouldn’t have caved that’s not our disagree our disagreement is you pretending that dems did it arbitrarily. When there was a risk of people not getting food stamps bc the Supreme Court was forcing the legal battle to happen instead of allowing food stamps to be funded.

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Anonymous #2 1w

I agree they should be destroyed electorally but saying all democrats who aren’t far left are secretly pro Trump isn’t helping that.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

They have to present it as arbitrary, because a leftist saying that politicians should have starved the poor would be incredibly ironic

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

When the dems (hypothetically) win back power they can and should do whatever they want. I did, and none of what was in that class fucking matters. Do you see Republicans obeying the rule of law? Or the many unwritten rules that hold our system of government together? Nope. So why should dems?

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

I didn’t say they caved arbitrarily? My point was that if they were going to cave like this in exchange for literally nothing, then what was the point of doing it in the first place. All caving did was concede to the GOP propaganda that the shutdown was our fault and not theirs.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Yes they are enforceable if the executive enforces them what do you think laws do? Most Americans support deportations this would the stupidest battle, you’re so politically illiterate.

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Anonymous #1 1w

It would be Republicans starving the poor. I’m against Dems caving to this threat given that helping the GOP enables them to continue their efforts to murder tens of millions of people. The current state of US politics is literally a trolley problem on the order of millions of people.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Most Americans are illiterate cattle. How were those things enforceable? How is ICE verbally agreeing to do something, legally enforceable. Do you think Trump is going to enforce something like that on his own personal army?

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Anonymous #2 1w

So what you’re saying is the Dems have the switch and the prompt is “you can stop the poor from starving but according to #1 you’re caving to GOP propaganda”. Personally I’d flip the switch to stop people from starving. Idk about you

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Anonymous #1 1w

Except if you flip the switch tens of millions more people die than if you don’t.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Ok you have to realize this is bad faith “I didn’t say they caved arbitrarily… if they were going to cave like this in exchange for literally nothing”. Ok can you give the best interpretation of why the democrats opened the government? Not your opinion, just the best interpretation of the events. I just want to see if you can be good faith with this.

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Anonymous #2 1w

How

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Anonymous #2 1w

It’s not them agreeing it’s them changing the laws. You’re making an argument against congress making any law. No shit when the executive is insane you can’t enforce laws properly what do you want them to do?

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Pretty sure they’re baiting atp

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Anonymous #2 1w

Ok then it’s not feasible then if Americans aren’t on board.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

Because of SNAP/government workers not getting paid. When I say “for literally nothing” I mean that they failed to negotiate literally anything in exchange for opening the government. They shut down the government for 40 some days, with clear demands and then folded without getting anything they wanted. That means that the 40+ days of being shutdown were for nothing, there was no point in doing that if they were eventually going to fold in exchange for no concessions.

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Anonymous blue__wave 1w

DHS/ICE is widely hated

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Anonymous #1 1w

blue wave is a troll

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Anonymous #1 1w

Probably

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Anonymous #2 1w

So true Americans are stupid cattle but they also agree with you. Great point.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Millions kicked of healthcare, millions dead overseas due to aid cuts, millions dead in new foreign wars. Potentially millions killed in death camps seeing as the rhetoric from the admin makes it pretty clear that the goal is a white ethnostate.

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Anonymous #2 1w

Yeah so that was going to happen if the government was shut down anyway, because none of that requires Congress. Except keeping the shutdown going would’ve caused even MORE people to starve too, and overworked air traffic controllers would’ve made mistakes, leading to hundreds more dead in addition to the millions you mentioned

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Anonymous #2 1w

Again that’s not true got concessions just not their main concession of the aca subsidies but it’s ok.

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Anonymous #1 1w

They’re Dr strange they saw into both futures and they know exactly what would have happened.

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