Anonymous #1 3w

Like cool if you want to push change through other means than do that but voting to decrease the power of the outright fascists is still helpful. And most people don’t even bother to push the change through other means after not voting.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I’m going to vote but voting for career democrats isnt pushing change in any regard. It’s just voting in a guy who will get the seat warm for the next trump.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I mean what fuckin choice do I have. Obviously if it comes down to it I’ll vote blue just to stop the senseless violence and murders from ice, but like Kamala Harris isn’t gonna dissolve the DHS. She isn’t gonna stop fucking funding Israel. She’s not going to fix our healthcare system or make housing more affordable or subsidize college or anything. The next establishment dem will just make everything worse than it was before the last establishment dem. That’s all they do.

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

Then after they make everything worse voters who have short term memory & easily fall for con artists will vote in a republican who points out all the problems that the Dems deny & promises to fix it but in the dumbest most evil way possible. Which people being desperate, & dumb will fall for then we’ll be right back were we currently are rinse & repeat assuming elections aren’t taken away are rigged into oblivion by the right

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Anonymous #2 3w

Yup. At this point the uniparty is effectively a reality. I mean holy shit top democrats are out here saying “ice needs more funding and training”

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Anonymous #2 3w

Like, that’s evil. That’s just evil.

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Anonymous #1 3w

How do you contend with that, genuine question? Like I’m not trying to attack your character, I don’t think *you* are evil, but how do you see these big Democrat officials like Cory booker saying ICE needs more money and training and also simultaneously think the democrats aren’t actively evil?

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

They don’t even beat the controlled opposition allegations

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I think the dems fuckin suck. The high up establishment ones at least. My state Virginia has some cooler ones at our state level that are actually interested in fighting (L Louise Lucas and Jay Jones for example) I just don’t like it when people go “the dems suck” and then use that as an excuse to do absolutely fucking nothing rather than the something that is voting (including primarying against establishment dems).

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Anonymous #1 3w

You are here

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Anonymous #1 3w

A lot of people just go “voting doesn’t work” and then proceed to do fuck all. No protesting or other activism or grassroots campaigning for opposition candidates. They just throw up their hands and then are completely passive.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I think people should be doing lots of work to avoid having to vote for the shitass passive establishment dems. But when it comes down to it that’s still the preferable option. Instead for most people it seems like they either vote and do nothing else or just do absolutely nothing. Of those two options one is still preferable.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Don’t act as if everyone is doing nothing purely on the basis of people accurately recognizing that material change *will not come* from voting your wishes. This system is not designed to allow genuine change as the result of voting, only change within the parties. There’s plenty you can do aside from voting as well, like organizing your community, gathering resources for those in need, gathering and dispersing educational materials regarding resistance, etc etc etc.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Tbh I don’t agree regarding which option is preferable, only on the basis that it commonly instill this belief that people are doing enough to fight back, solely because they voted lmao (regardless of whether both parties are genocidal and fascist, or whether there’s even a shred of a chance to vote our way out of this). In all honesty, the idea that voting can make a difference is literally there to neuter us as a collective group (the working class that is). If we all recognized that we

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Anonymous #5 3w

People should do that. I never said they shouldn’t. Most people do not, overwhelmingly. Because most people do not bother to put in the effort. And generally if you are doing those things it also helps to vote to at least slow down the fascists. I don’t think I disagree with anyone here that much. Like i don’t even know what the argument is here.

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Anonymous #5 3w

Aren’t voting away fascism, we’d be fucking rioting and burning shit down until we have change; but everyone is dogmatically addicted to “civility” and the idea of democracy, even though the thought of this country truly being democratic is a fucking joke. We’ve always been fascist, it’s just us white people’s turn to also feel it now…

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Anonymous #1 3w

I’m just confused tbh. Mushy never said not to vote. I never said not to do other forms of activism. I don’t understand what disconnect there even is here to “argue” about.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Ahh apologies, my msg got cut off and yeah I noticed after sending my first message that I didn’t get to read your final ones prior to typing out my first one, so I apologize about that! My main thing I guess is in my last comment, regarding how I view the US as always have been fascist, but now the in-group is changing again.

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Anonymous #5 3w

I view the U.S. historically as being part plutocracy and part herrenvolk democracy

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Anonymous #1 3w

But that’s kind of tomato tomahto because that of course manifests as authoritarianism towards the selected excluded racial and class groups

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Anonymous #1 3w

Non-white folk up to the passage of the civil rights act (and arguably, till this day) might not agree with that. Plutocracy, sure, but “herrenvolk democracy” is a fucking joke. That’s fascism, and a fucking ethnocracy. Unless you don’t take issue with an ethnic-based governance process? “Herrenvolk” literally stands for “master race”, like fuck out of here.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Ahhh never mind, spoke too soon as you addressed it (and no, it doesn’t manifest as, it purely is. There is no “non authoritarian herrenvolk democracy”)

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Anonymous #5 3w

Correct. Herrenvolk democracies are inherently authoritarian and monstrous, and are very close ideologically to fascism.

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Anonymous average_train_fan 3w

One of the reasons is simple ISRAEL

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 3w

I wish I was joking but if the Democratic Party wants to get out of this form of political cuckoldry the Democrats need to purge the old guard and Zionist

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 3w

And those who hold the party back from becoming a competent political force

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Anonymous just_a_bucket 3w

No I know all this, I’m just agreeing cause at this point it can’t be simple incompetence. A “lesser evil” is still an evil

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

What Democrat is saying ICE needs more funding 😭

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Anonymous #8 3w

Schumer and booker… They think that the issue with ice is a lack of proper training, rather than fascism.

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Anonymous #5 3w

Can you show me the quote please?

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Anonymous #8 3w

Cory booker for one, #5 says Schumer, haven’t seen that but fully believe it.

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Anonymous #8 3w

I know the link won’t work, but search for this quote on threads for the video: While some Democrats are calling for ICE to be abolished in the long term and regulated in the short term, Chuck Schumer is saying they need ‘real police training’ because they are unfamiliar with police doctrine. https://www.threads.com/@hereswhykevin/post/DTggQ4JEVgA?xmt=AQF0g2ogq6ONAq34yvbAyRpTUtrnzpwDHnIrgyIO8YGq72XhPpb8DmQMnJBXrIsA5519glU&slof=1

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Anonymous mushy.the.mushroom 3w

I can check again for Cory booker, but he’s my senator here in NJ and I’m pretty sure he just presented a bill to expand ICE training if I’m not mistaken?

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Anonymous #5 3w

I saw body cams and stronger hiring standards from Booker. The top Democrat on the appropriations committee ruled out any sort of funding increase for ICE a few days ago, even as an incentive for republicans to agree to require that ICE wear body cams

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Anonymous #8 3w

I have a meeting rn but I’ll try getting the Schumer clip. I wasn’t finding much on Twitter but he honestly wouldn’t surprise me

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Anonymous #5 3w

I think ur right but I’m at work rn so I can’t super check

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