
dawg ain't nobody like Israel but bridges are the first thing any army takes out in any conflict ever since the invention of bridges. that's not some horrible thing the israelis only do literally every conflict ever that's like one of the first steps. nothing wrong with taking out a bridge.
yeah Israel wasn’t created yet, that was a few years after, and Jewish people were the primary target of the Nazis of the third reich. They wanted to establish some arbitrary “master aryan race” (their own form of white supremacy), so they also targeted other groups like anyone who wasn’t white-presenting, us queer people, entire scientific or medical institutions studying topics that were deemed “illegal” or some shit
Back then, A Nazi was just anyone who supported the nazi party. Nowadays there’s still Nazis, and neo-Nazis(a modern day “revival” sort of speak, many of whom either deny the holocaust outright or openly support hitler’s genocide and attempts at ethnic cleansing, but the term is also commonly used for people who do not directly support Hitler, but rather adopt his ideological views (either towards Jewish people or other demographics))
personally, I think the term fascist is more applicable (all Nazis are fascists, but not all fascists are specifically nazi), but I view it as a comparison. Regarding Israel, sure it would be likely that many neonazis of today are also against the state of Israel for their own genocidal reasons, but the state itself does not represent the entirety of the Jewish community. It primarily represents the interests of Zionism/zionists.
Please tell me what’s wrong with what I said? Most Zionst In the U.S. aren’t Jewish & acting like Zionism = Judaism is wrong. What did I say that’s incorrect are you calming that Judaism = Zionism & Israel represents all Jews, because I’m saying the opposite of that & you seem to have a problem with it.
Jews like everyone else aren’t a monolith my opinion on jews are based on a case by case basis, as it is with every other group of people because again no one is a monolith but at the same time I acknowledge that Jews are a marginal group so they have unique struggles compared to white people who are the majority
Not a monolith, of course, but most Jews are Zionists, even if they define that word differently from you, which is what you’ve largely been unwilling to say. Do you think most Jews are genocidal? I’m sure you don’t hate *all* Jews, like you say we’re not a monolith, but do you hate *those* Jews? You know, not all of us, just most of us.
Cool I think get what you’re asking so I’ll give you my honest answer assuming I’m understanding what you’re saying. ISRAEL IS A GENOCIDAL APARTHEID STATE it doesn’t matter to me you’re race or religion defense of it is undefensible If the vast majority or all Germans supported Nazi Germany I’d obviously still believe Nazi Germany is evil and undefensible. Zionist in one breath will say it’s antisemitic to hold Jews accountable for the actions of Israel which I fully agree is antisemitism. Yet
By your logic anti Zionist Jews are self hating Jews. So if being antizionist makes me antisemitic then I guess I’m also anti Christian as well since there’s more Christians Zionist and there are Jewish ones. Again I legitimately don’t care what your race or religion is no one is monolith I simply believe that supporting apartheid & genocide is evil. I feel the same way about the UAE as well
Well you’re ducking the question though. If you view Israel as equivalent to Nazi Germany, then let’s use Nazi Germany. If this was 1942 would you hate any German who supported the existence of a German state, even if they didn’t agree with the current government? You’re putting words in my mouth, I very specifically did not say the things you’re saying. I just asked if you hate most Jews, and you yapped for three comments instead of just saying “No” and totally owning me. Makes you wonder.
I’m not avoiding the question. Zionism is a colonial political framework. I think colonialism is bad if you’re pro colonialism you’re bad simple. Theodor Herzl the founder of modern Zionism even said it was colonialism. If you believe trying to link all Jews to being pro Israel in some way shape or form is a good thing go for it. I personally think it’s bad to link it to all or most Jews especially considering that the average person hates Israel.
Interesting pivot while still not answering the question, but if you’re not going to do that then could you define colonialism, explain why your definition is the same as what Herzl’s would have been when he described the movement as colonial? I’m not trying to link anyone to anything. I’m stating a fact, and asking you for your opinion given the truth of that fact, which you’re still ducking.
You’re literally saying that my views on Israel & Zionism would mean I hate most Jews that’s you trying to link almost all Jews to being pro Israel in some shape despite the average person hating Israel. It’s not a pivot I feel like you just want me to either be pro Israel or antisemitic but I refuse to either. Like I keep saying Israel is a genocidal apartheid state and I believe supporting it is bad and that I believe Zionism is similar to Nazism and Nazis are bad like what am I avoiding?
Also Herzel acknowledge that there were people in Palestine & for his vision of Israel to come to fruition the vast majority would have to be removed & their land taken by any means necessary. Idk that doesn’t sound good to me but again colonialism is bad. The whole land without people bs is a lie
If I was acting like a politician I’d be pro Israel & try to make you believe I support Israel I keep telling you the opposite of what most politicians say so no I’m not acting like a politician. Again you don’t like my answers because you’re looking for some type of gotch but my views are principled so you’re not getting what you want
So I was right you simply wanted me to lie & say something antisemitic. You Zionst little piece of 💩 wanted me to betray my principles but I refuse to change my beliefs on Jews not being a monolith or to blame for the actions of the genocidal apartheid state of Israel simple because some Zionist fuck tried to rage bait me into it.
No, it’s only antisemitic if we don’t give them a blank check to continue genocide with impunity also it’s very antisemitic if you hold them to the same standards as every other military that follows the Geneva convention / suggestions at this point. I guess the only option that isn’t antisemitic is kicking everyone out of their homes, destroying their infrastructure, rebuilding it gentrifying it, and then reaping all of the benefits once the billionaires and trillionaire move in.
I didn’t realize that Al Jeezara secretly controls the UN, all the major human rights organizations including the Israeli one B'Tselem, the International Association of Genocide Scholars, The Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention & all of the western doctors & aid works who worked in Gaza since they all also call Israel’s actions a genocide.
Dude you’re just copying your buddy. Let me guess you also believe the UN is ran & controlled by Muslims 🙄 Also what do you have to say about the western doctors & aid workers? B’Tselem, The Lemkin Institute of Genocide Provention, all the other major human rights organizations. You’re buddy was never able to give an answer for any of those other then Muslims secretly control everything so hopefully you’ll do better
lol I didn’t list Aljeezara as a source. It’s not my fault that you believe every institution that dares call out your beloved genocidal apartheid state is secretly controlled by Muslims & Al Jazeera Also I have know problem admitting that the people who study genocide or the organization that specializes in human rights or the doctors & aid workers on the ground in Gaza are more knowledgeable then me & you. That’s the point of having these fields &
Yeah it’s insane they’re super racist & dumb they also tried to argue that Israel had to strike Iran recently due to Iran being a few weeks away from obtaining a nuke that it would definitely use on Israel & America. They didn’t care that we’ve been told this lie for over 30 years they still believe Iran was only a few weeks away so Israel’s first strike was in self defense 😵💫😵💫 Zionist really live on their own little world
so you are saying that the UN is biased, despite the overwhelming control majority nations like the US, Russia, China, and the UK, have over it? Maybe ask yourself why you’ve decided to advocate in favor of an ongoing genocide? Btw, the countries listed above are the *only* countries with veto power.
But you can’t explain why a western doctor or aid worker who’s legally bad in the west, and whose government is in full support of Israel would feel the need to lie about their expectations & what they’ve seen can you? Also I never said I didn’t know what I’m talking about I just said that I can admit that people who dedicate their lives to a field know more than me. Like I can talk about history but what I say will be based off the work of historians that dedicated their life to the subject.
I mean if you mean ever major humans rights organizations including the Israeli one, the UN, western doctors, the former Mossad Chief Tamir Pardo, multiple institutions dedicated studying & documentation of genocide are just anybody then yes you’re definitely a anti-intellectual moron Also the West Bank alone easily fits the definition of apartheid although in a lesser sense you can make the argument for Israel proper as well.
China literally works with everyone & anyone as long as it doesn’t harm China’s interests they don’t care. China literally just talks as far as Israel is concerned If they truly cared & wanted to they could end the genocide. China is more about it’s own country then it is about opposing the US so to act like the UN would make their humanitarian experts say that Israel isn’t a part of state is conducting a genocide simply because China made them or Russia did is insane and stupid
No you didn’t you didn’t tell me specifically how B’Tselem was biased, you didn’t tell me how human rights watch, amnesty international is biased, you didn’t tell me how the western doctors & aid workers working in Gaza are biased, you didn’t tell me how The Lemkin Institute for Genocide Prevention was biased, how the former head of Mossad Tamir Pardo is biased. All you said is that western can be biased & that the UN is ran my Muslim & China & Russia who are anti America & Israel so
1. B'Tselem is an Israeli political organization that opposes the current government 2. Amnesty international publishes Hamas talking points and does not even acknowledge any incorrect statements they have made and they have printed retractions with no apology 3. Being from the west doesn’t mean shit 4. Again, private institution with their own motives 5. I wonder why someone kicked out of the Israeli government would be biased against the Israeli government Now it’s your turn
1. They’re a human rights organization. They oppose the violation of human rights so the government violating human rights is what they oppose 2. Everything a Zionist doesn’t like isn’t Hamas you racist piece of 💩 3. Yet you still have yet to say specifically how they are biased 4. What’s their motivation 5. What are you talking about he wasn’t kicked out of the government he retired after serving his 5 year term which is the normal length for that position. Like you legit have no clue what
Hey, you know it does count as genocide, though indiscriminately killing women, children, elderly people anything with a pulse and systemically destroying the things people need like schools and hospitals blocking access to food and using starvation as a weapon by blocking the trucks that are bringing in food and preventing people from accessing their farmlands
Because no one gives a fuck about your malicious line of questioning. You clearly won’t genuinely engage in this conversation, and refuse to acknowledge the ongoing genocide and apartheid at all costs. you’re quite literally, no better than a scumbag nazi civilian, except in favor of Israel instead of nazi germany. genocide denialism AND apologia. a genuine scumbag, and I hope you’re remembered as such.
#2 believes the UN is controlled by Muslims & the U.S. enemies forcing their findings regarding Genocide. Dude thought the only way a former Mossad head would classify Israel as an apartheid was if he was mad about being fired not realizing that he retired after the normal term length & called it an Apartheid because he views having two sets of laws for different people along with special restrictions an apartheid, he also likes the apartheid & doesn’t think apartheid is bad FYI he’s just
You couldn’t defend what you said without lying & racism so you’re obviously an unserious person. I wonder if Zionist ever stop & think about why Israel & their defenders are so hated? Why today is the most popular Israel will be moving forward considering that every single day it grows less popular & more hated along with its defenders
There’s no point on bringing up things in detail like the right of return, the Committees Law, the Citizenship & Entry law, the Nation Sate law, educational funding etc with someone who’s a genocide denier, and claims all major human rights organizations post Hamas propaganda & the UN is ran by Muslims & the enemies of America resulting in the UNs findings that Israel is indeed committing a genocide. Which again is just pure racism