Anonymous #1 1d

right except the fact this doesn’t involve human beings whatsoever we’re talking about microscopic lifeless fetuses dude

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Anonymous OP 1d

Do you think fetuses are dead? And what species do you think a human fetus is?

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Anonymous #1 1d

they can’t breathe they’re not conscious they don’t have a soul they can’t survive without a host they have no brain no emotions nothing and also 90% of abortions happen within the first 4 weeks when the fetus is barely even a fetus and if they don’t then it’s a medical problem that puts the mothers life in danger

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Anonymous OP 1d

They’re actively taking up oxygen and fetuses absolutely need that to survive. Most babies can’t survive without their parents, but if it’s surviving that means it’s alive. A born person being eg in a coma and unable to feel emotions is still alive.

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Anonymous OP 1d

I don’t see how any of this would disqualify you from being a human being.

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Anonymous #1 1d

would you genuinely put a fucking fetus on earth and expect it to survive

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Anonymous OP 1d

Not outside of the right conditions, no. But if it can die, it must be alive, correct?

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Anonymous OP 1d

I wouldn’t expect any human to survive in conditions they aren’t adapted to though.

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Anonymous #1 1d

no it is not alive most of the time, an undeveloped fetus does not have a heartbeat

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Anonymous #1 1d

more concerningly, why is it impossible for a woman to have control over her own body? do u guys really hate women that much jesus christ

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Anonymous OP 1d

Everyone is allowed to have control over their own body. Just not someone else’s body.

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Anonymous OP 1d

What is it then if it’s not alive and not dead? Do you support an abortion ban past when cardiac activity can be detected?

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Anonymous #1 1d

but it is their own body tho. the woman’s body is the most effected aspect of this whole thing. she has a living breathing body as well as a soul and a life and a mind and a fucking heartbeat yet she’s more devalued than an undeveloped microscopic fetus

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Anonymous #1 1d

if a woman is getting an abortion after cardiac activity is detected, that means something. medically went wrong and it’s the safest option. so no i will never support any kind of abortion ban

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Anonymous OP 1d

An abortion directly affects the fetuses body by intentionally killing it. Since a human fetus is a human being, I think that is wrong. The human fetus is also alive.

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Anonymous #1 1d

let me guess ur a christian

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Anonymous OP 1d

Why not support an abortion ban with exceptions for medical conditions past that point then? Also I’d like to see a source for most abortions occurring before six weeks if possible.

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Anonymous OP 1d

No. It’s odd if you think that I have to be a Christian to oppose intentionally murdering an innocent human being. I’m an atheist. Which also makes your insistence on a soul very jarring, for the record. When do you think souls begin?

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Anonymous #1 1d

no it’s just atheists are usually more intelligent people and wouldn’t support the risk of killing or severely harming millions of women just so we can have more babies that born into a cruel world that live unfulfilling lives

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Anonymous OP 1d

Do you think my very consistent statement of “I think intentionally killing human beings is wrong” means I just want more babies to be created? I’m just against killing already existing human beings. And all organisms lives begin with conception. Thus a human fetus is a living human being. It’s pretty simple.

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Anonymous #1 1d

this what u calling an existing human being

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Anonymous OP 1d

Uh huh. It’s a human being in an early stage of development.

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Anonymous #1 1d

so that thing right there has more rights than a grown woman? is what ur saying? rn?

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Anonymous OP 1d

No, not being allowed to kill a human being doesn’t mean you have less rights than that human being.

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Anonymous #1 1d

yes because you are taking away her right to choose what happens with her body. and majority of cases of abortion are to protect the mother. nobody’s out here getting an abortion js cus they feel like it and want to kill babies they do it to save their life like holy shit. and by taking away her right to save her own life you are putting millions of woman in severe danger every year so you can save the fetuses that don’t feel pain or know what life even is

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Anonymous OP 1d

Except the only you’re “taking away” is the right to choose what happens with *someone else’s* body. Abortion intentionally kills the fetus, who is not the mother. It is infringing on its own bodily autonomy. Abortion is always legal if it’s to save the life of the mother. Just because someone can’t feel pain or think complex thoughts that doesn’t mean you should get to kill them. A newborn doesn’t have the self awareness necessary to understand life either.

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Anonymous #1 1d

all you’re saying in this is that the unborn fetus is more important than the grown woman. what about the woman’s bodily anatomy? ur acting like she doesn’t have any and the fetus has an ungodly amount. i’m gunna stop trying to argue with you cus it’s so draining and tiring. people just devalue women so much that their rights and safety matter less than a fucking fetus. and if you can’t see that there’s no point so please just don’t be a politician and we’ll be fine

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Anonymous OP 1d

Alternative question. Do you think that because the fetus is dependent on the mother, that gives her the right to kill it? Would you say the mother has the right to do whatever she wants with the fetus then, if you consider it to be part of her body?

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Anonymous OP 1d

I don’t think your bodily autonomy is being infringed by nor being allowed to kill someone else. Do you think an abortion kills a fetus?

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Anonymous #1 1d

come back when you know a little more about basic human rights then we can talk (human rights not fetus rights)

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Anonymous OP 1d

But a human fetus is a human. Do you not think all humans deserve human rights?

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Anonymous #1 1d

i can’t keep doing this with you, #1. you clearly have something against women and are overly glazing a DEAD FETUS u need to chill out, read a book, and start working on ur misogyny issues. now if you’ll excuse me i’m gunna go get an abortion

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Anonymous OP 1d

Abortion is permitted in the case of miscarriage where the fetus has died. I don’t think I’n asking you very complicated questions. I am a woman. Do you think maybe the reason I care about about fetuses because I know people who have lost fetuses? Because there are members of my very own family who have gone through miscarriages and lost *their children*?

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Anonymous OP 1d

also it’s pretty hypocritical to appeal to misogyny as if unborn baby girls aren’t disproportionately targeted in sex selective abortions. Is that something you’re okay with?

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Anonymous #1 1d

holy shit. you my dear are really in it deep- are you a conservative?

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’m a bisexual disabled atheist and a woman so not really? This is a pretty well known phenomenon. Is it conservative to be concerned about disproportionately targeting girls?

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Anonymous OP 1d

Or is it conservative to mourn the deaths of unborn children because my mom experienced a miscarriage and we mourned the death of my sibling who was miscarried at six weeks (at which point they had cardiac activity most likely if that matters to you)? Is that what makes me a misogynist?

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Anonymous #1 1d

no but being a bisexual disabled atheist liberal woman who is against abortion is probably the craziest thing like ever. i’m not even gunna talk about the sex-targeting because we both know it’s wrong and clearly you don’t know how much MORE dangerous it is for girls that are already born

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Anonymous #1 1d

holy fucking shit bro

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Anonymous OP 1d

So it’s not wrong for a woman to abort a fetus, but it is wrong for a woman to abort a fetus because it’s a girl? Why is one an issue of bodily autonomy while the other isn’t? Why is it crazy for someone like me to be against abortion?

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Anonymous OP 1d

Yeah it’s very tragic. Anyway I do feel this way because of my personal experiences. Because again, it’s a human being.

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Anonymous #1 1d

❤️

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Anonymous OP 1d

That doesn’t answer the question of why you think aborting a fetus is a matter of bodily autonomy but also sometimes wrong.

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Anonymous #1 1d

ur just not getting it im giving up its useless i can use my time better

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Anonymous OP 1d

Do you not have an answer for why abortion suddenly becomes a human rights issue when the motivation is different? It’s the exact same thing happening. Also, most states in the US don’t even ban sex selective abortion, not that it could ever be enforced while abortion is still legal. If you think sex selective abortion is wrong will you help pro lifers ban it?

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Anonymous #1 1d

it’s always a human rights issue no matter what. yes i think we should ban the sex-selective part but not the abortion part if that helps you

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Anonymous OP 1d

Okay. So you believe in some cases, killing a fetus is not a matter of bodily autonomy. You would agree the woman cannot kill her fetus for any reason.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1d

Do you think just because a human being has less cells or doesn’t look human to you it doesn’t deserve human rights? Also this is a fetus at eight weeks of pregnancy

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1d

Also is this a dog?

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Anonymous #1 1d

Not what I said. Do you think it’d be right to force someone to give up a kidney to save a dying person’s life?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 1d

I think it’s wrong to kill a person to get your kidney back if you’ve already donated it, in pregnancy the child has already been conceived. I asked you for clarification because I’m not sure what point you were trying to make

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