General on Sidechat | I get you guys have your beef with it but seeing shit like this after my friend just died really pisses me off. Religion and hope of seeing loved ones again brings a lot of hope and peace of mind to a lot of people.

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General 12w

I get you guys have your beef with it but seeing shit like this after my friend just died really pisses me off. Religion and hope of seeing loved ones again brings a lot of hope and peace of mind to a lot of people.

General 12w

All religion is mythology. All of it. Yours too.

Anonymous 12w

The OP was looking to just make a statement, apparently doesn’t want any push back cause when I gave some, I got blocked and now I can’t see anything to do w the post

Anonymous 12w

If you’re free to share your beliefs, so are we. Get over it, we constantly deal with you religious types telling us we’re gonna go to hell and trying to “save our souls”. You can deal with having to read a post that’s contrary to your religion.

Anonymous 12w

Religion isn’t the route to go. Therapy, having a support network, and relishing in the good memories is.

Anonymous 12w

That never seems to cross any of your minds when you choose to get your sound bite engagement with posts like this.

Anonymous 12w

It can bring you hope and have mythological elements at the same time. For example even though many aspects of Epicurean physics/metaphysics have not aged well Epicurean ideas about life and death still hold meaning for me. On the other hand it is absolutely possible to find hope in the Abrahamic conceptualization of heaven (for example) while acknowledging the scholarly convention of describing things such as the Genesis creation narrative as Abrahamic mythology. Your beliefs being influenced by myth is not good or bad it is just a consequence of living in a society

Anonymous 12w

I have plenty of beef with my fellow believers but it’s actually incredible how unlikable you guys make yourselves with posts like this. Horrible strategy if you actually care about nurturing more naturalists and less theists.

Anonymous

#1 12w

I promise you all those things are good but they unequivocally do not fill the entire void for everyone that deals with grief and lose. Everyone is unique.

Anonymous

OP 12w

Loss*

Anonymous

#2 12w

Literally no one said you’re not free to share your beliefs. This post is unnecessarily inflammatory though.

Anonymous

OP 12w

Get over it dude

Anonymous

#2 12w

Could easily say the same thing about you. No one in my community is going around telling yall you’re going to hell. My ass is in the trenches pushing against that rhetoric all the time.

Anonymous

OP 12w

Turning to high-control mythology doesn’t help. All it does it give you false hope and keep grief ever closer instead of worked through.

Anonymous

#1 12w

It’s odd to insist that the coping mechanisms you prefer are valid while dismissing the coping mechanisms that help millions of other people. You don’t have to share their beliefs to acknowledge that they bring many people genuine comfort during loss.

Anonymous

OP 12w

Being lied to is not genuine comfort.

Anonymous

#1 12w

You’re free to believe religion is false. What you’re not free to do is present that conclusion as an established fact and then criticize people for finding comfort in it. The existence of God, an afterlife, or religious truth claims are philosophical and theological questions that have been debated for thousands of years by some of the brightest minds in history. You may disagree with the answers, but disagreement isn’t proof.

Anonymous

OP 12w

And yet religion is the claim and has failed to provide any proof. We actively have evidence AGAINST the claims of them. The bible is riddled with inaccuracies and fabrications.

Anonymous

#1 12w

Whether religion is true or false wasn’t the point of my post. My point was that mocking or dismissing beliefs that bring comfort to grieving people is needlessly insensitive. You’re welcome to disagree with religion, but when someone has just lost a loved one, leading with “your source of hope is a lie” isn’t compassion. It’s ideology taking precedence over empathy.

Anonymous

OP 12w

Nope. Religion is ideology taking precedence over reality and truth. Truth will always be more important.

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Anonymous

#1 12w

That all you got?

Anonymous

#1 12w

You can be religious and also go to therapy and have support networks….

Anonymous

#1 12w

“truth will always be more important than empathy” you sound like an asshole bro

Anonymous

#5 12w

Not what I said.

Anonymous

#1 12w

that’s the impression your arguments give tbh. sorry if I misunderstood you, but you’re leaving comment after comment about truth w/ seemingly no regard for an empathetic response. I’m not saying your are an asshole, because I don’t know you. But again, you sound like one.

Anonymous

#5 12w

excuse me, *you are

Anonymous

OP 12w

The post is just being honest, everything is made up, maybe god made it up maybe not but it’s not saying not to believe or have your religion it’s just saying it’s a myth, because at the end of the day there is no way to know if god is real or not, if believing in him makes you feel better than do it

Anonymous

#7 12w

Sorry about your friend btw hope you're doing okay

Anonymous

#6 12w

It’s really bad faith to argue a post telling people their religion is fake and made up where the person is telling people all religion is “high control mythology” and they should stop believing it is not sending the message to people that they shouldn’t believe in their religion and they’re stupid if they do. Whatever your own stance on religion you can’t pretend OOP was just a neutral live and let live message.

Anonymous

OP 12w

This is a bad argument, some white nationalists are comforted by the belief that POC are lesser or will lose once a certain candidate gets into power because they want things like segregation. Just because someone is comforted by a belief, doesn’t make it invalid to criticism