Anonymous #1 12w

If people cared about biological advantage they’d start caring more than 2 decades ago before the topic of trans people in spots became a mainstream talking point

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Anonymous #3 12w

People did care and continue to. The reason you’re seeing more people talk about it is because it’s occurring more.

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Anonymous #1 12w

It truly isn’t.

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Anonymous #3 12w

People do care that’s why men and women are separated in sports, and people get upset at co-ed sports. Because the biological advantage is absurd

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Anonymous #2 12w

Biological advantages happen all the time. Nobody tends to care about biological unfairness until it comes to this

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Anonymous #3 12w

Because women are a protected class. They are weaker. It’s reality. They get protections because of it.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Who said the unfairness of biology only occurs in male sports?

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Anonymous #3 12w

?? That’s the reason they are separated by the sexes. Women are a protected class. You aren’t unfair if you happen to be a half inch taller in basketball. But it is if you went through a male/female puberty. The level of difference is so much so that it’s legitimately unfair to female athletes

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Anonymous #2 12w

There’s a reason the national team for US for soccer lost against 14 year old boy team. The difference is that significant.

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Anonymous #3 12w

I truly don’t understand your argument here. For a group of people that are typically feminist adjacent this seems like a really weird thing to have a completely different, and frankly anti-woman view on. “Trans women” have biological advantages that are at best competitively unfair, and at worst potentially harmful and injury causing. Women should be able to choose if they want to compete against someone like that.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Biological unfairness happens in both male and female sports currently. Without the trans issue thing.

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Anonymous #1 12w

Women should be able to choose if they want to compete against women?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Ok since everything is unfair then we should just have the meth-lympics then. Like everyone should be able to dose the fuck out of testosterone and blast gear because it’s just a biological difference and it doesn’t matter right? Like how Russia literally were giving their female athletes so much gear a few years back, that some of them considered transitioning, not because they were trans, but because people couldn’t tell they were women anymore??

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Anonymous #2 12w

Great strawman. Argue against what I actually said. I said biological advantages already exist. Now what, propose a counter.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Ok, so transwomen are biologically stronger than ciswomen. Therefore to level the playing field, why not let them take testosterone for a couple years too? It’s only fair right?

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Anonymous #3 12w

And no shit biological advantages exist. It’s called the difference between sexes. Men are stronger than women

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Anonymous #2 12w

Read what I said. Repeat the last comment where I mentioned advantages. Repeat my point back to me in that comment, what was the point of that comment?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Let’s be so crystal clear. “Trans women” were born as men and most developed as men only to identify as something else later. So yes, born women (real ones) should be able to chose if they want to compete against someone who, as you admitted, has a large biological advantage that could possibly hurt them in a contact sport. Saying “women against women” is a reductionist stance which you act naive to.

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Anonymous #1 12w

I see here. You can’t argue this because your understanding is flawed. Define man and male.

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Anonymous #3 12w

This foolish argument is negatively impacting women. Is that the side you are willing to fight from?

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Anonymous #1 12w

I’m a cis woman. So yeah, if you’re going to be idiotic. Then I’m going to make you explain your idiocy. Define sex and gender.

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Anonymous #3 12w

I’m not going to argue human truth with a leftist ideologue. Either you wish to protect women against unfair competition and potential harm, or you enable it. Your word semantics do nothing to fix the issue. Let me know when you’re out of the denial stage of your “sex vs gender” understanding.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Then you should know more than anyone the differences of the sexes. A man, 30 lbs less than you could literally hold you down and take advantage of you. There is a huge difference of the sexes. That’s literally why there is a patriarchy because of the sexual dimorphism between men and women. To act like there is no difference means women just were submissive to men all of existence for absolutely no reason at all.

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Anonymous #1 12w

There it is. You can’t define the words you’re crying about. You know nothing about the thing that so desperately offends you Come back when you’re ready to talk like an adult

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Anonymous #2 12w

I told you to repeat my point. Go ahead. You’re strawmanning me. If you know my actual point then say it, the last comment where I talk about advantages. What did I mean?

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Anonymous #3 12w

I legitimately have no idea. I think you think the difference between sexes don’t matter or don’t exist. Or you think it doesn’t matter for some reason. And think cis women should compete with men in the nfl or something. I honestly can not understand wtf you’re saying

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Anonymous #2 12w

if you don’t have any idea then why did you ignore my ask of you completely?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Because it didn’t make sense

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Anonymous #2 12w

You said there’s biological differences forever. But like yeah, no shit difference between men and women???

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Anonymous #2 12w

Okay, one more time. Those advantages exist within categories already. what do you think I mean by that?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Like some men are taller than other men? But I don’t think transitioning is the same thing as a biological advantage like height. I think it’s more akin to doping the fuck out of your mind for a couple years

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Anonymous #2 12w

Do you think it’s fair if someone has like double the lung capacity than their opponents during a competition?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yeah, you can train for that with altitude training.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Biologically speaking.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yeah. Small lung gang isn’t a protected class. And you can significantly increase your capacity with altitude training and probably get it about the same anyways

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Anonymous #2 12w

So you’re fine with someone having larger longs biologically than their opponents?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yeah, because you can train it to be about the same. And small lung gang isn’t a protected class.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Sex is protected. Because it affects lungs, stature, bone density, muscle hypertrophy, upper and lower body strength, endurance, literally everything. It’s not one small advantage. It’s literally everything. Like a cis women with big lungs still isnt going to ever be able to compete with a man

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Anonymous #2 12w

So biological advantages are okay in some cases?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yeah, in some cases.

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Anonymous #2 12w

that’s a blatantly false analogy. you can choose to dope, but you can’t choose to be trans. by your analogy, cis women with higher T levels should also be banned since they’re not in the same “range.”

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Anonymous #2 12w

“women are a protected class” so are trans women 💀 who are both women AND trans, both of which are protected. you’re treating transitioning like a choice by comparing it to taking meth/drugs. it’s not a choice. y’all need to get that in your heads.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Which cases?

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Anonymous #2 12w

your info is also just blatantly false 💀 HRT intentionally brings levels down to cis ranges, and, in sports, that’s going to be LESS testosterone than other competitors. check your facts before assuming ts.

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Anonymous #4 12w

???? No going through a male puberty is like being on drugs and doping for sure, yeah. Like if a cis woman spent 20 years doping before stopping I’d say that’s comparable to a transwoman that started transitioning at 20 maybe

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Anonymous #2 12w

Then you’re perfectly fine with trans women who transitioned before puberty?

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Anonymous #2 12w

performing in sports with their chosen gender?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Going through a male puberty, yeah. It’s effectively doping. It changes your body entirely

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Anonymous #2 12w

do you think being trans is an intentional choice? or do you think doping is forced? you have to believe one of those for your analogy to be true lmao

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Anonymous #2 12w

friendly reminder that it’s trans woman/cis woman :) trans/cis are adjectives

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Anonymous #2 12w

Yes or no, are you pro trans women competing if they transition before puberty?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Maybe honestly, I’d have to look more into that more though. And see if there’s still a large advantage, or if it’s completely avoided by avoiding puberty

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Anonymous #2 12w

it doesn’t matter if it’s an advantage or not. doping isn’t allowed because they’re choosing to gain an advantage, that’s why it’s unfair. trans women don’t choose to be trans, which is why it’s fair for them to compete. thats also why it’s fair for cis women with male T levels to compete. because they’re women who haven’t chosen their conditions or bodies. advantages matter when they’re chosen.

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Anonymous #4 12w

The whole point is if there is an advantage? wdym? I dont understand

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Anonymous #2 12w

it matters for two reasons: if it’s an advantage and if it’s chosen. Michael Phelps possessed a massive advantage in his flexibility, which allowed him to use his feet like flippers. it’s fair for him to compete, that’s how his body is. but you’d say it’s not fair for someone to wear flippers to the competition. same advantage, but one is a choice.

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Anonymous #4 12w

Yeah, but that’s one advantage. Sex is like 40 advantages. Like if there was a monkey bar competition and someone naturally had 4 arms I’d probably ban them too cuz the advantage is too much in comparison to everyone else

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Anonymous #2 12w

you’re overtly overestimating how much of an “advantage” it is to be a trans woman. there’s more impactful advantages that no one ever brings up as an issue, like Michael Phelp’s flexibility. you only care about this issue because you see men as inherent more athletic than women, and because you don’t know how HRT works.

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Anonymous #2 12w

sorry, but you’ll have to actually research HRT before anyone should respect your opinion on its “advantage.” you’ve already proven in your other comment that you haven’t looked into this at all. start giving sources for these “40 advantages” that trans women have.

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Anonymous #4 12w

You still retain your height, stature, muscle, lung capacity, strength. You get to keep basically everything.

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Anonymous #2 12w

sources on literally any of this lmao? and on how it’s an advantage? you can keep repeating your assumptions like affirmations, but it doesn’t make then true.

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Anonymous #2 12w

So it’s about the amount? One advantage is okay?

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Anonymous #2 12w

also, you’ve said yourself that being trans is like doping yourself with T. yet you haven’t explained why people are ok with cis women with high T levels and not trans women with similar levels pre-transition. maybe it’s because people refuse to see transitioning as anything but a choice…

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Anonymous #4 12w

They literally ban women with really high t levels no?

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Anonymous #2 12w

But yeah, I think it’s legitimately basically cheat codes. HRT isn’t enough to equalize imo

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Anonymous #2 12w

According to?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Me. Think it’s too stronk advantage imo

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Anonymous #2 12w

Outside of your opinion according to what?

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Anonymous #3 12w

pubmed

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Anonymous #2 12w

Link the data

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Anonymous #2 12w

Cool, and what about prior to puberty?

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Anonymous #3 12w

I’m not talking about that. I literally said in a previous comment I may be ok with transgender women competing if they didn’t go through puberty. I’d have to look into it more tho

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Anonymous #2 12w

You’re saying may be as if there’s going to be evidence to suggest the latter position

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Anonymous #3 12w

Yeah, I haven’t looked into it. Like I said

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Anonymous #2 12w

You truly believe there’s a chance prepubescent children who transition will maintain the status of most of their hormone driven qualities?

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Anonymous #3 12w

Maybe you get some sort of advantage just from XY, like height or body differences or bone differences. Idk though, maybe not at all- maybe it’s all from puberty. Haven’t really looked into it like I said

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Anonymous #2 12w

Actually, testosterone levels are often LOWER than that of cis women’s. HRT puts trans female athletes at a disadvantage.

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Anonymous #2 12w

Oh, you’re misogynistic and sexist as well. Makes sense. Fucking trash.

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Anonymous #3 12w

Also like how you completely moved the goalpost once I show, yeah, people that do transition and go on hrt still have an advantage over cis woman. Like how we just glossed over that… 😗

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T levels is not strength and muscle mass. And nowhere in my comments did I say anything about Test. Just making shit up like I said???

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Anonymous #4 12w

Wanted to chime in, my HRT regimen the first four months actually crashed my T levels so low it was damn near undetectable. The usual range is less than 50 ng/dL of testorone for trans women which is 20 lower than the higher end of the average T range for cis women, mine was 3 ng/dL.

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Anonymous #2 12w

“it never goes down to the levels of a cis woman” which referred to testosterone levels lmao. you were responding to a post about HRT and testosterone, so no shit you were referring to testosterone. are you dense?

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Anonymous #2 12w

using Google AI to discuss trans issues is mental btw. maybe find actual sources instead of letting a robot lie to you about what studies say.

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Anonymous #3 12w

they literally refuse to use any source other than Google AI, it’s so embarrassing…

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Anonymous #2 12w

stop using Google AI holy shit. are you allergic to actually looking at studies?

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Anonymous #2 12w

btw you’re completely ignoring all nuance with this subject 💀 there’s so many sports where these so-called “advantages” change nothing or are both less prevalent & less beneficial than advantages that ARE allowed. using Google AI to argue for you instead of using actual evidence shows you refuse to take this seriously. link an actual article if you don’t just want attention lmao

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