Anonymous mother_russia 4w

Trans women definitely have it worse off especially with how many states are repealing their rights and freedoms and being the target of so much violence, not saying an individual person has to always suffer to the same extent but overall trans women are a much more vulnerable group than cis women. Not really anything opinionated at all, just kinda true

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Anonymous mother_russia 4w

The wording still icks me out. I also read the comments and people very much are diminishing issues such as femicide, womens healthcare, rape/assault, etc. The “do cis women have their rights taken away?” argument when literally not even a year ago a black woman was medically kept alive to be used as an incubator after she passed feels a little weird. Im not debating the struggles trans women have but to treat it as a hierarchy feels strange

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Anonymous OP 4w

especially considering alot of our issues really depends on lookism

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Anonymous OP 4w

Everything but abortion laws apply to trans women too. They are also very commonly targeted for rape, femcide, and medical neglect. They just have additional struggles on top of those as well.

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Anonymous mother_russia 4w

I think its the blanket statement that leaves no room for other variables bc who are we talking about? fishy white tgirls and white cis women?

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Anonymous OP 4w

What you’re talking about is intersectionality. Where someone holds multiple minority/oppressed statuses. So yes assuming they don’t belong to any other minority group, trans women face more extreme discrimination on a regular basis. This is because they are trans AND women, so they face both sexism and discrimination for being trans.

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Anonymous OP 4w

There can obviously be more variables but we aren’t comparing black women to white trans women, we care comparing only on the basis of the discrimination faced purely from being a woman vs the discrimination faced purely from being a trans woman and not other types of discrimination other people might face like ableism, homophobia, racism, etc.

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Anonymous OP 4w

I would really recommend reading a little about 4th wave feminism and intersectionality! It explains things like this really well going into what is helpful comparison vs harmful comparisons when discussing oppression and how to approach intersectionality

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Anonymous mother_russia 4w

ik about intersectionality i am a black woman lol my overall point is that blanket statements like these just ick me out bc they automatically assume everyone is just white/rich/wtv else and in turn downplay our struggles. Ik you might argue that its just racism atp but its the specific way CIS blk women struggle called misogynoir

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Anonymous OP 4w

im not so good at conveying my thoughts so excuse me if this isnt making sense

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Anonymous OP 4w

It’s not about assuming people are white, it’s just addressing those specific types of oppression outside of other types of oppression someone might face. A trans woman could be black as well and face discrimination because of that, she could be disabled too, she could be lesbian, etc. all adding levels of discrimination. But the point is to assess it on an equal basis rather than all the other potential variables that either could face.

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Anonymous OP 4w

You have to assume the other types of oppression are equivalent, like in a math equation you are trying to simplify all other variables to find what one variable means. So in comparison to you specifically as a black woman, you would want to compare to a black trans woman so that the discrimination comparison is just focused on the trans vs cis rather than other variables

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Anonymous OP 4w

Does that make sense?

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Anonymous mother_russia 4w

I just think focusing on one specific aspect isnt really possible because my “womanhood” is inherently intrinsically linked to my blackness and i assume the same with my trans sisters. I think a more appropriate statement wouldve been “seeing cis women act like they dont have privilege over trans women is crazy” rather than playing these ranking games bc in some ways cis women are “more oppressed” as in it just doesnt effect trans women

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Anonymous OP 4w

So it’s not separating you or trans women from their blackness, it’s just comparing it to the counterpart rather than someone white to keep the it as equivalent as possible.

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Anonymous OP 4w

(Btw I wasn’t the one who downvoted you)

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Anonymous mother_russia 4w

I get what ur saying dw, I am also just really bad at articulation so i hope ur not reading anything being said with a negative tone i am just conversating 😭

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Anonymous OP 4w

I want to point out one thing really quick which is that the only thing a black trans woman wouldn’t experience that a cis black woman might would be reproductive care, with the specific problem being pregnancy and birth. But there are cis black women who are infertile or will never get pregnant, so that reproductive oppression isn’t inherent to being a cis black woman (this is not saying it’s not horrific, it’s just not inherent to being cis).

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Anonymous OP 4w

So those trans women won’t face the same reproductive oppression but they will face a lot more consistent and inherent discrimination and oppression that cis black women wouldn’t. If someone claims that trans women have equivalent or worse reproductive oppression, it would obviously be false. But that doesn’t seem like that’s what OP or others are claiming

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Anonymous OP 4w

And you’re totally good, tone can be hard to read over messages but I’ll always assume the best in this conversation

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Anonymous mother_russia 4w

what i was referring to specifically was abortion rights and surrogacy abuse and reproductive trafficking alot of this also blurs into medical neglect too tho

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yeah I would put all of that with reproductive oppression, as it’s specifically tied to carrying a pregnancy or forced sterilization.

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Anonymous mother_russia 4w

literally nobody is arguing with you but if we all compete about who has it worse you’re creating a further systemic divide and if u haven’t fucking pieced it together no one in our community can afford that rn

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Anonymous #2 4w

So op and I were just discussing it, not saying anyone needs to dislike anyone else but understanding the extent of other people’s oppression is definitely a relevant thing. Knowing what your privileges are is important too. If anything I feel like it brings the community together to discuss it because it helps create a deeper understanding of what others are going through and what they need

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Anonymous #2 4w

Especially with keeping up with all of the anti trans laws that are being passed everywhere in the USA, it’s really important to keep up with them as they are the first group to be targeted so forcefully and openly in the law (minus of course Hispanic people) right now.

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