Anonymous #1 1d

There is no ethical way to kill someone for your benefit. If it’s for their benefit (ie to put out of their misery via euthanasia) it would be deemed ethical but hunting is far from that.

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Anonymous #1 1d

The environmental impact is far worse with current animal agriculture. All you need is one google search to find that veganism has the smallest footprint of any diet. The animals farmed for consumption requires loads of land including crop land for their feed.

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Anonymous OP 1d

Its ethical to kill an animal to eat. not for sport. to eat. use its all its parts too, don’t let it go to waste

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Anonymous #1 1d

Currently, with all the crops grown, including ones grown for animal feed, we could feed the entire human population 11x over.

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Anonymous OP 1d

cool, still ethical to eat meat

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Anonymous #1 1d

It is justified in a survival situation, not when you have the option to not kill (ie have access to a grocery store that has plant based items)

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Anonymous OP 1d

are you going to pay for those expenses that come with plant based? because i cant. and also its always ethical

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Anonymous #1 1d

Why choose to harm someone, when you could easily just… not??? Do you hear yourself? Youre defending harming others to achieve something that can be achieved by NOT harming others.

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Anonymous OP 1d

im not harming someone. animals are not people. You kill quick and instantly so it doesn’t get harmed.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Plant based foods are the cheapest. Processed alternative foods are more expensive, thats where youre getting confused. But that isnt necessary to be plant based. Just eat whole food plant based.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Explain how it is ethical to kill someone when you could easily just not kill someone?

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Anonymous OP 1d

statements that just ignore that diatary and medical conditions exist

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Anonymous OP 1d

Animals eat other animals that’s just how life works. We learn this from a young age

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Anonymous OP 1d

im not killing someone im killing something

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Anonymous #1 1d

So its okay to kill others as long as its quick?

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Anonymous OP 1d

Animals are not people

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Anonymous #1 1d

You think animals are objects?

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Anonymous OP 1d

no i think they’re animals

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Anonymous #3 1d

Okay but we have more consciousness than animals. Animals also lick their own butts, kill their offspring, and rape. Does that mean suddenly all of that is okay?

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Anonymous #1 1d

Dietary and medical conditions that require animal products are very rare, and would be justified bc it would be for survival

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Anonymous #1 1d

When did i say animals are people? Just because they arent humans doesnt mean we are allowed to treat them like shit actually!

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Anonymous #1 1d

And animals are sentient and experience pain. Do you have no issue with dog fighting? Or animal abuse? Where do your morals lie bc im failing to see that you have any, at least regarding animals that arent humans

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Anonymous OP 1d

Animals can kill and eat humans, i can kill and eat animals. i will not exempt myself from the cycle of life and death that in inherent in living because you want to control other diets

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Anonymous OP 1d

Are you trolling or genuinely stupid

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Anonymous #5 1d

Yea but HP isnt as harmful as animal agriculture is. Animal agriculture has a much larger negative effect radius, by ruining the environment, affecting marginalized communities, literally directly harming animals, and perpetuating many of the top diseases that affect and kill humans.

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Anonymous #6 1d

True. Being against animal agriculture is far more important than being against a mere book series.

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Anonymous OP 1d

yes it would be great if we could move away from animal agriculture and eat less meat but did you miss the entire part where i said it is literally not feasible for some people to go vegan?

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Anonymous OP 1d

i’ll eat a steak in front of you

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Anonymous #5 1d

I didnt. I already said that that would be a survival reason and therefore justified, FOR THEM. Just because a select few are physically incapable of being vegan, doesnt give everyone else the right to exploit animals. And even then it’s still not exactly moral bc why does one person’s condition allow for them to harm others? We wouldnt accept that in any other injustice. Say someone has some condition where they can only eat dog and cat flesh, would it be morally acceptable for them to?

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Anonymous OP 1d

I think the best solution would be to invest in lab grown animal products.

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Anonymous #6 1d

Oo so…. normal and not shocking at all bc that’s what everyone does.

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Anonymous #5 1d

Also i guess an ethical way for consuming animal products would be to steal it. Stop creating demand for it. Hurt animal ag’s pockets

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Anonymous OP 12h

Literally yes?? I feel like eating whatever you need to not die is morally neutral at worst. Like I wouldn’t shame someone for eating cat and dog meat if the only other option is them dying from starvation?

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Anonymous OP 7h

also calling eating meat immoral is just kinda racist. a lot of cultures revolve around eating meat and their recipes especially native cultures where the they hunt animals but actively respect and honor them in the process.

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Anonymous #5 7h

It’s not racist at all lmao. Pretty much all cultures consume meat. I’m not saying “only X group should stop eating meat”

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Anonymous #8 7h

What about eating other humans for survival?

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Anonymous OP 7h

Depends on wether they’re alive or dead already and if they consent to being eaten. There’s ways to kill animals where they will not realise they’re going to die, and then die quickly, like separating a chickens skull from its spinal column. The chicken does not know what the axe does, it does not know it will die. If you lead a human to a guillotine, because we have previous knowledge of it, the person would know, and be afraid. So it depends on a few things for me. But morally neutral

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Anonymous #8 7h

Like if you’re on an island with two people and no resources and no fish and no food but you have a gun. I’d say do what you have to survive. But also doing thought exercises in this way is like, what if the world was made of pudding

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Anonymous #8 7h

I’d also say that I don’t believe many people would kill someone to eat them, even if they needed to survive. In most cases of survival cannibalism I know of, the people were previously dead. Unrelated, I know of some tribes that previously (and potentially currently) practice funerary cannibalism. I’d say it’s morally neutral because they believe that they are helping the persons soul. It’s not out of malice, but care.

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Anonymous #8 6h

Talking through hypotheticals is a common way to engage in philosophical discussion and to see where one’s morals lie. I find it fascinating to explore.

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Anonymous OP 6h

Would you pull the lever in the trolley problem?

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Anonymous #8 6h

I think it would be utilitarian to do so

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Anonymous OP 6h

But is it vegan

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Anonymous #8 6h

Stay on topic though. In the end youre arguing in defense of harming animals for no good reason. That is a losing argument bc it’s inherently wrong.

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Anonymous #8 6h

The point of saying if cannibalism for survival would be morally permissible is bc it is similar to eating animals, who are also sentient and can experience pain. Why is one sentient being deserving of life, at the cost of another sentient being’s life?

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Anonymous OP 6h

“No good reason” when I’m saying it’s morally neutral to eat animals if that’s what you need to survive 😭 are animals harming animals for no reason when a bear hunts a salmon?

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Anonymous #8 6h

Okay are you in a survival situation currently that absolutely necessitates animal consumption?

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Anonymous #8 6h

Just bc it would be permissible in a survival situation doesn’t mean it’s therefore permissible in a non survival situation

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Anonymous OP 6h

Find me a vegan dish, multiple vegan dishes. With no gluten, wheat, red pepper, green pepper, onion, garlic, cooked tomatoes or carrots, iceberg lettuce, and is texturally the same each time.

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Anonymous #8 6h

Literally so easy lmao. You could easily find many recipes that dont include those 😭

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Anonymous OP 6h

So find them

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Anonymous #8 6h

And even if there are recipes that include those, you know u dont have to include every ingredient in a recipe, right?

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Anonymous OP 6h

I can’t cool and live at college where they have no vegan options that I could eat. I would be eating rice every day. They don’t even have peas or corn.

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Anonymous #8 6h

It’s not my responsibility to find recipes for you. Are u incapable of using google?

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Anonymous OP 6h

This is why no one likes yall

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Anonymous #8 6h

Super doubtful that your college doesnt have vegan options. I think you just never thought about it so you don’t know what the vegan options even are.

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Anonymous #8 6h

When i lived in dorms i was able to eat vegan. Your excuses are pathetic as fuck lmao

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