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It's not eugenics to say that ppl (of all races) shouldn't continue to have children if they already know they aren't financially stable. It's irresponsible and negligent .....
Youre fucking weird if you think people shouldn’t have kids if they’re poor. That’s eugenics talk
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Anonymous 5d

I’ve seen it up close within my family, neighbors, friends. It’s not a good environment. One kid, yeah maybe it can work out. But I’ve seen couples just ignore contraceptives and have 5 children BACK to BACK. It never goes well. The kids don’t have a place to sleep, they don’t have beds or mattresses. “You can’t tell people just not to have sex” sex is not a mandatory thing. If you cannot have safe sex when you are in a bad situation financially, you should not be having sex

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Anonymous 5d

Eugenics doesn’t necessarily have to be about race. It is also about poor people. We should hold that energy for the richest nation on earth

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Anonymous 5d

You can’t argue with stupid, girl. The op is just calling anyone that points it out fascist and wanting to shame poor people

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Anonymous 5d

Poors shouldn't reproduce?

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Anonymous 5d

It actually FUCKING IS eugenics for someone to decide who can and cant have kids. It’s also a purposeful mechanism of fascism to misdirect outrage towards people who’ve done nothing wrong and want to have normal lives like everyone else. Y’all are missing the point.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

No one ever said ppl should be able to decide who can and can't have kids..... people absolutely can have an opinion on whether someone should have them! That's what opinions are for!

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

But MY POINT IS why isnt the opinion “The government should support people so if they choose to have kids, they’re able to comfortably support them” ?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

It's the same way I think anyone who doesn't have the means to support a child (it isn't all financial) whether it be emotionally, mentally.... etc.

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

idk how to say this but children are a privilege not a right. saying you shouldn’t purposefully have kids if you can’t care for them is not eugenics oh my god

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

But like how do you draw the line then? People who have depression or anxiety shouldnt have kids? Im just confused why this opinion needs to be expressed in the first place? Worry about your own choice in having kids

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

it actually FUCKING IS dumb as shit to say it’s eugenics, an outdated and DISPROVEN field of thought for “superior” genes. And no one is they CAN’T, it’s just IRRESPONSIBLE to raise a child in poverty due to one’s own want to raise a child knowing full well they can not provide for the needs of a child. No one ever directed their “outrage” at poor people

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

Yes, the government should help where they can absolutely. But I think that people without stable homes on their own should be aware that it's irresponsible to continuously have kids without a secure financial situation!!!

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

The “outrage”, if there is any, is directed at the people who know full well they cannot support themselves and a child—A HUMAN BEING WITH NEEDS—and still have a child because they “want” the child despite the child “NEEDING” things that cannot be afforded

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5d

I lied. I will absolutely argue with stupid now

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Government money can come and go unfortunately depending on the government's alignment with the issue, people shouldn't solely depend on them, because we can't depend on them🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

As if they’re not already shamed for that 24/7 tho..

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

this is such a chronically online take bro

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Thank you. Look at all the people on EBT and welfare now who have families and are panicking over affording shit. Giving the government the power to afford your basic necessities means you gave the government power over your lives and that is scary asf

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

I'm not going to get into the stereotypes of it all because I think that everyone, no matter what race, shouldn't depend on the gov For money, simply because it's scary to depend on someone else fully for finances! Same way I would tell someone not to depend on a man for money!

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

You are applying a moral failure to people because they are victims of a system that cant support them. The basis of my argument is that everyone deserves autonomy even if you dont agree.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

That’s a messed up belief. The government isn’t a person, it’s made up of the ppl. As human beings it’s our duty to help other human beings. It takes a village

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

No one ever said ppl don't deserve autonomy, and I never gave moral failure to anyone. Systems are meant to help ppl and they should, but what happens if they don't??!!! what happens if they fail?!!

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

I think ppl should take advantage of any help given to them, but I don't think that (considering sometimes the help isn't much, especially for a family) that ppl should solely rely on that. That's all.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

man wtf are u ok about?? If you as a parent are expecting other people to help you raise the child YOU chose to have you shouldn't be having children

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

That’s not what I said… ? Try to respond to only what I said

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

thats quite literally what ur saying 💀 how are u going to try and have an argument when u dont even know what point ur trying to make??

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

It seemed that you are insinuating that the system should fully support anyone that's continuously has kids, but doesn't have the means, and isn't trying to obtain means on their own. Ppl that don't have the desire to support their kids, whether it be financially, emotionally, etc, I think shouldn't have kids. A lot of people know this about themselves and choose not to have kids!

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

When did I say you should EXPECT anything? You’re putting words in my mouth, I only engage with people responding in good faith

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

piggy backing: having a child just because u want one, KNOWING you don't want to do ANYTHING parental (ie. feed them, clothe them, teach them how to be a human being) is irresponsible and negligent. If you're expecting someone else to do that shit and you know damn well you cant pay someone to do that, ur a negligent person

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

wtf do you think you repeating "it takes a village" over and over is coming across as?? like are u stupid as hell or are u just trying to join the argument cause u heard "dont have kids if" and immediately thought "abortion??? thats bad! >:("

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

The system does have the means tho? That’s the whole point. You think poor ppl don’t want to be able to take care of their kids? Interesting

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

That’s a lot of assuming of people, isn’t it. You can’t just assume everything and put words in people’s mouths to fit your narrative

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

Nope, not what I said either. You and I both know that there are people who have kids, who don't CARE to help support them. That is what I'm saying, there's ppl out here who don't REALLY want their kids, clearly, if they don't have the innate desire to care for them.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

the system as its currently built does not infact have the means to feed every single starving child, if it did then one of the first global goals wouldn't be ending hunger

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Putting a kid in a situation where a parent doesn't care to care for them, themselves, is baseline negligent.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Again you’re assigning a moral failure (ie “irresponsible” “isn’t trying to obtain the means” “dont have the desire”) — you’re blatantly saying that poor people are undesirable/stupid and shouldn’t procreate

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

its called reading comprehension actually, you should try it sometime it might help u not be so miserable and bitter all the time

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

No I DIDN'T, there is a difference between being poor and being a good parent. You can be poor, and a great, supportive parent. it's about TRYING to be better.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Youre the bitter one. We’re arguing because we want to support everyone in their choices. Youre here because you want to police and judge people’s choices

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

…ok but like there’s a big difference between saying “this person doesn’t want to take care of children so they shouldn’t have them” and “this person doesn’t make xyz money so any children they have will be worthless”. you know that right. im really scared you might not know that

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

i think you might also be stupid as fuck so let me help you. We are not talking about people who are poor and still work hard everyday to give the world to their kids, we're talking about poor people who know they dont have the means and still choose to have a kid because they think having a kid would be fun but they don't actually go out of their way to give said child anything that they need, hope that helps!

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

so you'd support a murderer?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

No one thinks that… you have a prejudice against poor people. You think “immoral” people shouldnt enjoy the same basic life experiences as others

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5d

Deadass

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

man what?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

literally wtf even is ur argument???

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

Oy vey mate again not what we said

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

What is yours? Shaming poor ppl? Okay, we get it. Poor ppl are horrible ppl who feel entitled and neglect your children. We get it

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

i literally never said that? 🫩 iliteracy is a plague i guess

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

I genuinely think you must be rage baiting now

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Starting to get the feeling this person might not have taken their meds and is going into moral psychosis

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

What? 😭 for believing it’s on the government and not poor ppl? Okay then…

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

where did u go to school btw? public highschool in the us? let me know, i wanna make sure i can avoid that so my kids arent iliterate like u some day

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Yeah that’s what you keep repeating over and over again. We get it. Poor ppl shouldn’t be able to live their lives

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

The government unfortunately, very clearly, cannot do it all.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

You want your kids to shame poor ppl?? Yikes. Im not giving you my location.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

the government wasn't created with poor people in mind btw, idk who lied to you but ur grown enough to know better i fear

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

Why would you give us your location anyways

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

A capitalist settler colonial one won’t, that’s sure as hell

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

i want my kids to have a proper education, something ur clearly lacking

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

They asked for it lmao

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

it’s so telling you think having children is like. this passive thing that just happens when someone goes through life and not the very serious very life changing thing it really is 😭

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

bro no government entity in this world has been made with poor people in mind for a very long time 💀🙏

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Uh duhhh, that’s why the ppl need to control the gov

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

If you seek to live somewhere that shames poor ppl, I’d suggest a rich white area

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

Who's the capitalist colonial? I'm so lost

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

i hate seeing dumbasses try to talk about politics 🫩🙏 im out yall

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Is she talking about me?

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Bruh there have been dozens in the last century 😭

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

What's capitalist about me saying that the system should be helping people?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

The US…

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 5d

I didn’t say it’s a passive thing but you act like it’s not normal and natural for animals to reproduce 💀

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

Animals don't need a house, and money to function in society. They don't need education. Like bruh.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

im gonna hold your hand when i say this but as humans we have critical thinking skills that other animals DONT for a reason

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

You choose to speak in such unkind manners to people who simply don’t believe in shaming poor families. No one’s a dumbass for thinking we shouldn’t put the onus on the most vulnerable. I hope your kids turn out compassionate and empathetic unlike their parent

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

I didn’t say you were capitalist? I said this country is?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Animals do indeed require shelter like we do for the most part. Their parents and other animals don’t educate them?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Oh god I'm getting a god damn migraine

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

I'll come back later

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Ive said my piece like 20 times at this point. Saying that poor people shouldnt have kids is wrong because everyone deserves autonomy regardless of your opinion on what a “good” parent is

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Miserable and bitter? What is going on. The ppl repeatedly calling me stupid and over and over are calling me miserable and bitter. When I’ve never not once called anyone names. Simply for being against shaming poor ppl? Sometimes I think this community is an experiment or fed operation cuz WHAT lmao

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

saying you shouldn't be a negligent parent isn't an opinion btw

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

And you can keep saying your piece until you’re out of breath and blue in the face. Idk one person who doesn’t have the autonomy to lay with another and make a child. But I’ll say mine again too. It’s selfish to continue a vicious cycle of poverty and to give your child less chances at success just cause you knew you couldn’t afford that child and still wanted to make one🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

you are undoubtedly one of the stupidest people ive come across on this app, u and #2

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5d

#BOOM!! 💥

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Fire take

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5d

thats a wrap i guess 👏👏👏 nothing can top the truth fr

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

Lol dude ikr they just want to be hateful and look down their noses atp

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

2 I'm gonna be real honest with you rn, you sound like me sometimes bc I have OCD. specifically this sounds like moral OCD.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 5d

Still missing the point that it’s not a fucking moral failure

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

I don’t gaf about your point. I’m missing it cause your shit is non existent

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

You’re saying simply being poor is negligent. That’s what breaks up thousands of families. It’s not. Your focus is on the wrong thing. And you’re the type of person to repeatedly call someone stupid and a dumbass simply for not sharing your classist ass take. I dont care what such a morally bankrupt person who repeatedly keeps calling me names has to say about my intelligence. Try having a heart, first. That should be your focus

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

We said multiple times that poor doesn't equate to negligence, and that it's simply about effort. I think we must have said that five times at least - actually.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

The op and topic was always about poor ppl having kids? Effort? You’re back tracking now

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

this is why im saying yall are illiterate and stupid but I'm in the wrong??

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

Why are they so hateful and cruel? Like it’s not helping their argument at all 😭

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

if you think calling you stupid is cruel ur in for a rude awakening bud

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

I'll never back track bc I stand ten toes down on what I say, you clearly wish I didn't! Poor people who don't have the means, *who won't continue to seek their means*, who don't want to support their children, I believe shouldn't have kids. For their well being, and the well being of children. I rest my case. Thanks.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Things that poor people should do: have kids if they're working towards a means to support, have access to help, care about their kids. That's it.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d
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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Girl what you’re backtracking. The argument is “poor ppl shouldn’t have kids”. You’re trying to add all these qualifiers now, hours later? Nobody ever said anything about effort until now. And you’re also aware that when there’s 5 comments per minute, you don’t initially see a lot of the replies… right? They don’t load right away? You guys only just now are changing the terms of the argument

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

Off jump, I think that people that KNOW they're not in a good situation, shouldn't have kids. Period. not sure why that's such a controversial take.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

People that are honest with themselves know this and choose not to put kids in a risky situation. That falls right in line with any other "risky situation", a kid could be born into, such as having a partner who's not willing to care for the child, having an abusive partner, etc. there's nothing wrong, or 'immoral' about being poor. There's nothing wrong with having an absent or unwilling partner, there is something wrong with putting an innocent kid in a bad situation that

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

You want to get out of

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

That is never what you said until 20 replies later. You said poor ppl shouldn’t have kids. You and 5 were ASSUMING that since they’re poor they’re not trying their best, they’re having kids just for the sake of it and are neglecting their kids. It was never a certain subsection of poor ppl until 20+ replies later. That’s why I said in the very beginning that’s a lot of assuming you’re doing…

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

im not re-typing this for ur dumbass

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Yeah repeatedly calling someone stupid and a dumbass like 10 times simply for having a different political perspective is pretty cruel. I don’t know what kinda fucked up, desensitized world you live in where it’s okay to speak to people that way over something so minor. In the real world if you call ppl names like that, it doesn’t really fly.. you’re getting off pretty easy here

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

man ur so fucking dumb it hurts me physically, 🫩 why do i keep coming back here??

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

I hope you gain a heart and soul one day. Good luck

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

i already have one, id say the same about you being literate but i think its too late for u

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

I’m not 2. I am 4. I didn’t read replies directed to another person when i was already getting a bunch of replies at once

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

damn 💀 ur bold for admitting u cant read like that

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

I’m not illiterate for not reading replies directed at another person when there’s already like 30 comments to go thru. That is only what you guys said after we both repeatedly pushed back on your assertion about poor ppl

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

I’m bold for admitting I only read replies directed at me? Okay then..

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

you're iliterate for more than that, if u want a break down lmk though idk if you'll understand it

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Sure, I’d love a breakdown! And remember I’m #4 and not #2

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

but like how are u going to try and be part of an argument and not even bother to read what other ppl are saying??

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

I read all the replies that I saw? Again, I saw many like 30 mins later bc they weren’t there when I initially responded

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

That's not what I said at all, for the 30th time, I never assumed anyone wasn't trying their best, you want someone to vilify and it's not me! Bye!

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Also I stopped getting notifs a while ago

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

That’s not what your op says

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

Huh?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

You only mention a distinct group of poor ppl 9 replies in. Just counted. Also even after you mentioned more qualifiers, you didn’t initially say you were only talking about a certain group within the impoverished. Just generalized poor ppl wanting kids to have these qualities

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

im just gonna start with the most obvious: the argument was never about all poor people, the fact you couldn't figure that out until we explained it to you gived iliterate. Then, when we explained it to you, you said we were backtracking. Then u commented about "it takes a village" and couldn't understand how we would take that, and when we explained it to you you kept insisting that we're fucked up for making assumptions when it was literally just context clues ...

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

They are not "qualifiers", i was explaining as it's simply nuances of life. Of course I think poor people should have kids, as long as they're supportive and CAPABLE. If someone isn't in a good situation, as I said in the beginning, and chooses to *continue* to have children - that is irresponsible. Period.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

also you not reading the other comments before replying is giving illiterate because when you're having an argument online like this you should take the time to read and understand what other people are trying to say before forming a reply because how is the argument going to progress AT ALL ...

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

if you keep bringing up the same point that keeps getting challenged instead of defending it by addressing the comment someone said challenging your opinion?? (ex. you: "i think strawberries are disgusting" someone else: "yeah they're so bitter and gross" me: "not all strawberries are bitter, yall should try x brand they're so sweet!" you: "bitter strawberries are gross as hell, im not trying that brand")

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

You keep trying to get me to back track and I'm not. There's nuance to life, not 'qualifiers', which is exactly why I don't believe in endorsing eugenics....

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

just because u stopped getting notifs doesn't mean u cant take a moment to read what ppl are saying, comprehend wtf it is that they're talking about and then figuring out a coherent reply thats on topic

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

You and OP have lost the plot and it’s time to pack it up

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Exactly, there’s nuance. So why make such generalized commentary on poor ppl who want to have kids in the first place? It’s not a good way to spend your energy. Direct that ire at the ruling class stealing from you

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

we haven't 💀🙏 yall just cant read

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

No body has lost the plot, quite literally

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

I never made comments in poor taste towards the poor, not once.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

so we shouldn't talk about the nuances of poor people having kids when they shouldn't cause the ruling class is stealing from us? thats stupid as hell bro

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

literally no one in here has said anything bad about poor people 💀💀💀

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

it was never about "making generalized comments about the poor" it's about putting a child in a situation that you wouldn't want to be in.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

This isn’t about all poor ppl seeking future children? Even tho that’s exactly what it says? I’ve never made claims about ALL poor ppl. Just those seeking kids. Like this op says? You explained to #2, not #4. I’m #4 remember. I said “it takes a village” once and for some reason you said I said it over and over again? Again that was someone else.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

man when it comes to posts like this its generally understood we mean one specific group of poor people not ALL poor people unless the OP says otherwise 💀🙏

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Again for the millionth time, I read all comments that I saw and that were directed at me. I was multitasking when you started to go at 2. So no, I didnt read all the replies you sent to them when I had to go thru 5+ calling me stupid and a dumb ass in a million different ways

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

even if you did only say "it takes a village" once, it still cane across the way it came across 🤷‍♀️

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

I directly addressed every reply I saw that was sent to me?

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

because you are stupid bro 😭 wtf do u want me to do?? lie??

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

Here it is again

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

wtf do you want me to do with that? break it down for you? 💀

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

I said we SHOULD talk about the nuances? The op wasn’t doing that; it was a generalized statement about poor ppl wanting or having future children

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

i dont know why i even try 🫩 u need to go back to school or something man

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

The character attacks are tired. You know you’re wrong when you stoop to that 👋

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

Are you op? I’m unsure of which reply you’re responding to but it looks like you’re responding to my replies directed at op. But I won’t stoop down to your level and call you names over a misunderstanding

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

to what?? saying it how i see it? 💀🙏 yall cant even understand the point 3-4 people have been trying to make to tou for the last two hours

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

there is no misunderstanding here 💀 just two iliterate ppl trying to make drama over nothing

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

What are you talking about man lmao

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

No you continually and purposefully miss the point. I think you’re the troll bc you’re bored. Yall always admit to trolling bc you’re bored and you think it’s funny when it’s 5v1. I have to go to my 2nd job now tho. Good luck in life once you grow up and realize the error of your ways. Hopefully

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

girl u think i think this is funny??? i think its sad af that you cant hold a conversation like how do u have two jobs and can't figure out that we're not coming after u for being poor 💀like u need to pick up a book or something

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

To this point, knowing how the USA treats poor & or homeless people, and how little help there is in certain states/cities, I think it's irresponsible to have kids, in a situation where you know care is difficult. Yes the gov can and should help, but the point is we can't make them.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

Again, I made my point, and I shouldn't be expected to explain all the nuances in a singular quote post. My argument stands, as I think it's irresponsible to continuously put others in a bad situation. Full stop. It's not eugenics for people to decide that they don't want kids if they know they're not in a good spot. It's not eugenics for ppl to say they want to make sure a child is supported. That takes zero autonomy away from a person.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

On a real note, 4 & 2, I understand the want for people to continue to have families, and everyone should feel like they have that right! It sucks that we live in a system that doesn't fully support us. That's my point- we can't control who helps us and how much.

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 5d

When did I ever say you were coming at ME for being poor, what 😭. I never even disclosed my financial status. Or whether I plan to have kids. That’s your problem, you’re arguing with a wall bc you make a lot of assumptions and constantly put words in my mouth. I DONT plan on having kids mostly bc of our economy btw. That’s my CHOICE, I don’t judge the family planning choices of other poor families

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

I think where we differ is that you believe there’s no hope for community and a democratic governing structure but I believe otherwise. And helping each other out is what leads to a better world. It’s not about entitlement to future kids but acknowledging that ppl are gonna have kids regardless of our personal feelings and we’re still obligated as human beings to help each other out. Which isn’t the same as entitlement or expecting anything

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 5d

because having an opinion doesnt make something happen. we all wish the govt would support parents but they dont. both opinions can exist simultaneously

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 5d

Same as how shaming poor ppl for having kids or righteously wagging your finger at them doesn’t make anything happen other than incur more shame. Which is incredibly unhealthy. & It WILL happen if we all help each other tho. Like that’s my whole point. Instead of shame each other. Enough of this nihilistic “it’s hopeless and nothing will change so nothing matters” viewpoint. Ppl are gonna have kids no matter what others say so let’s not wasting our energy on judging & shaming them & maybe help

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Anonymous replying to -> #7 5d

It’s called being responsible. People also like to bring up rape. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CONSENSUAL SITUATIONS HERE.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

i used to think like you but i think like 4 now. for most of our existence having kids had nothing to do with class. even with the invention of civilization, wealth was never unequal enough that the poor couldn’t have children. on top of that, they had community. today we lack a lot of the community needed to properly raise the youth thanks to our society being incredibly individualistic

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

when we hunter gatherers were and farmers, we cared for and even honored the disabled. as a civilized nation, we can’t even help the poor even though they contribute tremendously to the system, the system simply doesn’t give them enough in return to live comfortably. greed and selfishness has rotted our society so much that having a family has become class based

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 5d

and that same system will literally crash and burn down if the birth rate drops below 2 children a couple. even worse, that same system also relies on infinite growth which is inpossible. like we’ve created an unsustainable economy that’s set to collapse one day if we don’t seriously reform our society. we need to look at the disease in our society at it’s roots

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 5d

theres a difference between shaming and saying dont do it. and you can think about the future all you want but we are not in the future and right NOW that doesnt exist. its not nihilism, its realism

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Anonymous replying to -> #9 5d

I agree with all of that, I don't think the answer is having more kids in a society that you know isn't set up for them to thrive.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 4d

Genuinely, you think telling poor ppl not to have more kids is a novel idea they’ve never thought of or heard before? No one’s gonna listen if that’s what they choose to do. It is shaming when it’s none of your business and telling ppl to not do it does nothing but make you feel better about yourself And we do exist in a reality where we can have community RIGHT NOW. Many ethnic communities in the US do. That’s how human beings have existed for thousands and thousands of years

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