
I’ve seen it up close within my family, neighbors, friends. It’s not a good environment. One kid, yeah maybe it can work out. But I’ve seen couples just ignore contraceptives and have 5 children BACK to BACK. It never goes well. The kids don’t have a place to sleep, they don’t have beds or mattresses. “You can’t tell people just not to have sex” sex is not a mandatory thing. If you cannot have safe sex when you are in a bad situation financially, you should not be having sex
it actually FUCKING IS dumb as shit to say it’s eugenics, an outdated and DISPROVEN field of thought for “superior” genes. And no one is they CAN’T, it’s just IRRESPONSIBLE to raise a child in poverty due to one’s own want to raise a child knowing full well they can not provide for the needs of a child. No one ever directed their “outrage” at poor people
It seemed that you are insinuating that the system should fully support anyone that's continuously has kids, but doesn't have the means, and isn't trying to obtain means on their own. Ppl that don't have the desire to support their kids, whether it be financially, emotionally, etc, I think shouldn't have kids. A lot of people know this about themselves and choose not to have kids!
piggy backing: having a child just because u want one, KNOWING you don't want to do ANYTHING parental (ie. feed them, clothe them, teach them how to be a human being) is irresponsible and negligent. If you're expecting someone else to do that shit and you know damn well you cant pay someone to do that, ur a negligent person
i think you might also be stupid as fuck so let me help you. We are not talking about people who are poor and still work hard everyday to give the world to their kids, we're talking about poor people who know they dont have the means and still choose to have a kid because they think having a kid would be fun but they don't actually go out of their way to give said child anything that they need, hope that helps!
Miserable and bitter? What is going on. The ppl repeatedly calling me stupid and over and over are calling me miserable and bitter. When I’ve never not once called anyone names. Simply for being against shaming poor ppl? Sometimes I think this community is an experiment or fed operation cuz WHAT lmao
And you can keep saying your piece until you’re out of breath and blue in the face. Idk one person who doesn’t have the autonomy to lay with another and make a child. But I’ll say mine again too. It’s selfish to continue a vicious cycle of poverty and to give your child less chances at success just cause you knew you couldn’t afford that child and still wanted to make one🤷♀️
You’re saying simply being poor is negligent. That’s what breaks up thousands of families. It’s not. Your focus is on the wrong thing. And you’re the type of person to repeatedly call someone stupid and a dumbass simply for not sharing your classist ass take. I dont care what such a morally bankrupt person who repeatedly keeps calling me names has to say about my intelligence. Try having a heart, first. That should be your focus
I'll never back track bc I stand ten toes down on what I say, you clearly wish I didn't! Poor people who don't have the means, *who won't continue to seek their means*, who don't want to support their children, I believe shouldn't have kids. For their well being, and the well being of children. I rest my case. Thanks.
Girl what you’re backtracking. The argument is “poor ppl shouldn’t have kids”. You’re trying to add all these qualifiers now, hours later? Nobody ever said anything about effort until now. And you’re also aware that when there’s 5 comments per minute, you don’t initially see a lot of the replies… right? They don’t load right away? You guys only just now are changing the terms of the argument
People that are honest with themselves know this and choose not to put kids in a risky situation. That falls right in line with any other "risky situation", a kid could be born into, such as having a partner who's not willing to care for the child, having an abusive partner, etc. there's nothing wrong, or 'immoral' about being poor. There's nothing wrong with having an absent or unwilling partner, there is something wrong with putting an innocent kid in a bad situation that
That is never what you said until 20 replies later. You said poor ppl shouldn’t have kids. You and 5 were ASSUMING that since they’re poor they’re not trying their best, they’re having kids just for the sake of it and are neglecting their kids. It was never a certain subsection of poor ppl until 20+ replies later. That’s why I said in the very beginning that’s a lot of assuming you’re doing…
Yeah repeatedly calling someone stupid and a dumbass like 10 times simply for having a different political perspective is pretty cruel. I don’t know what kinda fucked up, desensitized world you live in where it’s okay to speak to people that way over something so minor. In the real world if you call ppl names like that, it doesn’t really fly.. you’re getting off pretty easy here
im just gonna start with the most obvious: the argument was never about all poor people, the fact you couldn't figure that out until we explained it to you gived iliterate. Then, when we explained it to you, you said we were backtracking. Then u commented about "it takes a village" and couldn't understand how we would take that, and when we explained it to you you kept insisting that we're fucked up for making assumptions when it was literally just context clues ...
They are not "qualifiers", i was explaining as it's simply nuances of life. Of course I think poor people should have kids, as long as they're supportive and CAPABLE. If someone isn't in a good situation, as I said in the beginning, and chooses to *continue* to have children - that is irresponsible. Period.
also you not reading the other comments before replying is giving illiterate because when you're having an argument online like this you should take the time to read and understand what other people are trying to say before forming a reply because how is the argument going to progress AT ALL ...
if you keep bringing up the same point that keeps getting challenged instead of defending it by addressing the comment someone said challenging your opinion?? (ex. you: "i think strawberries are disgusting" someone else: "yeah they're so bitter and gross" me: "not all strawberries are bitter, yall should try x brand they're so sweet!" you: "bitter strawberries are gross as hell, im not trying that brand")
This isn’t about all poor ppl seeking future children? Even tho that’s exactly what it says? I’ve never made claims about ALL poor ppl. Just those seeking kids. Like this op says? You explained to #2, not #4. I’m #4 remember. I said “it takes a village” once and for some reason you said I said it over and over again? Again that was someone else.
No you continually and purposefully miss the point. I think you’re the troll bc you’re bored. Yall always admit to trolling bc you’re bored and you think it’s funny when it’s 5v1. I have to go to my 2nd job now tho. Good luck in life once you grow up and realize the error of your ways. Hopefully
To this point, knowing how the USA treats poor & or homeless people, and how little help there is in certain states/cities, I think it's irresponsible to have kids, in a situation where you know care is difficult. Yes the gov can and should help, but the point is we can't make them.
Again, I made my point, and I shouldn't be expected to explain all the nuances in a singular quote post. My argument stands, as I think it's irresponsible to continuously put others in a bad situation. Full stop. It's not eugenics for people to decide that they don't want kids if they know they're not in a good spot. It's not eugenics for ppl to say they want to make sure a child is supported. That takes zero autonomy away from a person.
When did I ever say you were coming at ME for being poor, what 😭. I never even disclosed my financial status. Or whether I plan to have kids. That’s your problem, you’re arguing with a wall bc you make a lot of assumptions and constantly put words in my mouth. I DONT plan on having kids mostly bc of our economy btw. That’s my CHOICE, I don’t judge the family planning choices of other poor families
I think where we differ is that you believe there’s no hope for community and a democratic governing structure but I believe otherwise. And helping each other out is what leads to a better world. It’s not about entitlement to future kids but acknowledging that ppl are gonna have kids regardless of our personal feelings and we’re still obligated as human beings to help each other out. Which isn’t the same as entitlement or expecting anything
Same as how shaming poor ppl for having kids or righteously wagging your finger at them doesn’t make anything happen other than incur more shame. Which is incredibly unhealthy. & It WILL happen if we all help each other tho. Like that’s my whole point. Instead of shame each other. Enough of this nihilistic “it’s hopeless and nothing will change so nothing matters” viewpoint. Ppl are gonna have kids no matter what others say so let’s not wasting our energy on judging & shaming them & maybe help
i used to think like you but i think like 4 now. for most of our existence having kids had nothing to do with class. even with the invention of civilization, wealth was never unequal enough that the poor couldn’t have children. on top of that, they had community. today we lack a lot of the community needed to properly raise the youth thanks to our society being incredibly individualistic
when we hunter gatherers were and farmers, we cared for and even honored the disabled. as a civilized nation, we can’t even help the poor even though they contribute tremendously to the system, the system simply doesn’t give them enough in return to live comfortably. greed and selfishness has rotted our society so much that having a family has become class based
and that same system will literally crash and burn down if the birth rate drops below 2 children a couple. even worse, that same system also relies on infinite growth which is inpossible. like we’ve created an unsustainable economy that’s set to collapse one day if we don’t seriously reform our society. we need to look at the disease in our society at it’s roots
Genuinely, you think telling poor ppl not to have more kids is a novel idea they’ve never thought of or heard before? No one’s gonna listen if that’s what they choose to do. It is shaming when it’s none of your business and telling ppl to not do it does nothing but make you feel better about yourself And we do exist in a reality where we can have community RIGHT NOW. Many ethnic communities in the US do. That’s how human beings have existed for thousands and thousands of years