Anonymous #1 3w

how is it any different than what you're doing now? you're also making a generalization abt women who say "they hate men" and using that to judge their entire character.

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Anonymous #1 3w

i could do the same thing with you. I don't know anything about you aside from that fact that you don't like women who say they hate men. So by your logic i can assume that you'll probably be headache as well since you don't seem to have the emotional maturity to not make generalizing statements abt women

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Anonymous OP 3w

Then when yall say you hate men and we use that exact same logic all yall can say is that’s not the same thing

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Anonymous OP 3w

No man chose to be a man, and being a man does not define their moral character in any way. Any woman who declares “I hate men” made the voluntary choice to generalize half the global population and hate them. That is how it is “any different”. Despising a massive subset of people who did not choose to be in that subset makes you worthy of criticism, far more so than identifying people who choose to be annoying as annoying. This equivalency is so incredibly false.

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Anonymous #3 3w

A women saying "i hate men" is almost never an isolated incident. The original post is blatantly refusing to acknowledge the context saying that regardless of why they say it, it just makes them a terrible person. I never once said it was okay to say, but it's not much better to judge the women who do without at least trying to understand. That's called basic sympathy.

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Anonymous OP 3w

You’re certainly defending it like it’s okay to say but ight

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Anonymous #4 3w

so actually my post has nothing to do with assumptions based on racial stereotypes but i'll try to explain since you seem to be confused. my issue with the original post is that they are blatantly ignoring the context of why women say they hate men. when in reality its very seldom an isolated incident and usually said as a trauma response. misandry as a whole stims from women's trauma and anger from the misogyny they experience at the hands of the system.

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Anonymous #4 3w

which is why im asking if these men are feminists bc if you are rightfully angry at women making a harmful statement then you should also be angry at the systems put in place that drove them to say it. now if the original context of the post was women saying they hate men off of stereotypes abt men then that's a whole different issue. i however don't understand where you got that context from.

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Anonymous #2 3w

this i can definitely understand

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Anonymous #1 3w

it's not okay to say but im also not stupid and I don't blame women for saying it. that's not gonna stop them from saying it nor is it going to create change or gender equality. its not man vs women, more so us vs the patriarchy. you can both acknowledge something is wrong to say but understand why someone said it.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Quite literally everyone calls out the systems, it’s all women talk about. No one calls out the behavior you’re defending. Two wrongs don’t make a right

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Anonymous OP 3w

Ight bro whatever you need to tell yourself

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Anonymous #4 3w

I'm not defending it. It really disheartening that the comments aren't even understanding why I made this post. It's not "two wrongs make a right", you should be mad at both the women who make those generalizations and the system that drove her to make the statement. The patriarchal society is bad for everyone

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Anonymous #7 3w

so you're a feminist then??

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Anonymous OP 3w

Sure, I just don’t call myself one

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Anonymous #7 3w

but you are 😭 if you believe women and men should be equal and are fighting against the patriarchy then you're a feminist? i don't understand why you wouldn't want to proudly call yourself that

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Anonymous OP 3w

Because most femenists are blatantly anti-men and that’s not a message I resonate with

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Anonymous #7 3w

So for clarification those people aren't feminists? They are anti-men or radical feminists.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Yes except the majority of feminists have those ideals

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Anonymous vangogh 3w

i agree but i think being upset when women make the statement and taking it personally just makes them even more angry. i think it should at least be understood why a women would be uncomfortable or upset or angry at a system that favors men over women.

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Anonymous #6 3w

and I don't think anyone shouldn't be favored by society for the gender they were born as?

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Anonymous OP 3w

Fun fact we aren’t 👍

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Anonymous #7 3w

Can you provide examples to me? The feminist I follow aren't anti man at all, and im very lost on where you're getting that information from. Malala Yousafzai, Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, one of my favorites actually is literally a man Justin Balondi all aren't anti-man. Tbh I only really see that radical behavior online, never irl

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Anonymous OP 3w

and i don't believe everything i see online bc why would i do that

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Anonymous #6 3w

well this is just incorrect. the patriarchy systemically favors men. it of course over the years has gotten better and i'm not saying it doesn't harm men at all because it definitely does but it also benefits men at the expense of women. i mean a prime example is how other men make fun of / bully gay or queer men. homophobia wouldn't exist if the patriarchy wasn't systematically misogynistic

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Anonymous #6 3w

and again the patriarchy system hurts men too hence why i'm a feminist, but it's just incorrect and stupid to say that it doesn't benefit them as well. and example would be adult men are less likely to experience sexual assault. I think for women that stats are 1 in 3, and for men its 1 in 6. I actually made a post on here a few weeks ago asking about male victims stories and it got a bunch of hate since lots of men don't see the need to discuss their trauma, or view that as an issue that only

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Anonymous OP 3w

affects women, when it doesn't.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Nope there are plenty of women that would be homophobic without the patriarchy

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Anonymous OP 3w

I don’t think being less likely to experience sexual assault is a result of patriarchy. There’s always gonna be monsters and it’s always gonna be easier for those monsters to choose the weaker target

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Anonymous #6 3w

maybe so, but the root of homophobia is still misogyny which was, and you guessed instilled into people by the patriarchy.

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Anonymous OP 3w

If it’s the post I’m thinking of then it didn’t get any hate but rather most of the comments were on how it wouldn’t benefit them because both the court system and society view men not being able to be victims and in fact a women said men can’t be and said why should men’s issues even be talked about

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Anonymous #6 3w

Exactly, hence how its favors men. Women physically will always be the weaker target. Femininity in general is often seen as weakness like I don't understand how you don't see that.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Victim complex and blaming all men for a patriarchy that was founded by people that have been long dead is crazy. Welcome back, Aqua

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Anonymous OP 3w

Because women are weaker than men on average and it’s a fact of life you can’t change and that even without patriarchy the monsters out there are gonna choose weaker targets like how them teachers rape little boys but the news channels call it inappropriate relationship in order not to villainize the women

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Anonymous #6 3w

and she was wrong, and yes exactly thats an example of how the patriarchy harms men, but basically they are physically stronger and they do experience sexual assault less on average than women. thats just a fact, but again that doesn't mean male victims shouldn't go under represented. being a feminist includes being an advocate for men's mental health but being a feminist also includes understanding how men do benefit from the patriarchy.

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Anonymous OP 3w

So and then she’s more than probably one of the people that says “i hate men” so why would i wanna like or support women like that if that’s all i see from them and yes they call themselves feminists

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Anonymous #6 3w

The same thing happened when the catholic church was also touching little boys? However instead of villianizing the men who did that, they villianized the church. I already said that it has come a long way, but the patriarchy is still a system that is inherently misogynistic. Same with how systemic racism will always exist and negatively affect those of color. Unless you also believe that doesn't exist then we need to revisit what systemic oppression is.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Well buddy that's on you. If you truly wanted to be an advocate for men's mental health, its up to you to find those reputable sources to follow and learn. Why would you take a random women's on yik yak opinion as if she represents all women and feminists everywhere. You need to do research outside of the internet and then you'll find out that feminism ≠ anti men. Justin Baldoni has a podcast called Man Enough and i highly recommend it as a way to get into the root of actual feminism.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Cause I see it a lot and I’ll still support women and men but you gotta think how it’s gonna affect impressionable boys in elementary school and middle school. It’s just gonna make them resent women when all they see is hate for them. It’s what I saw growing up and nearly fell down the red pill pipeline before it was even a thing. Luckily I was able to get out of it

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Anonymous #6 3w

Can you give me examples of these women who were spewing this anti man rhetoric??

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Anonymous OP 3w

Do I have to go back and find every single post I’ve ever seen?

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Anonymous #6 3w

at some point you need to stop believing everything you see on the internet and taking it as representation for all women who claim they are feminists. have you ever read a book about feminism? or even an non biased/opinioned academic journal? or is everything you know abt feminism from stuff you've seen online? and even then did you actually go and fact check those individuals? do any additional research into what they were saying?

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Anonymous OP 3w

The point is the claim to be feminist and spew this rhetoric about how all men are evil and that you should never trust a single one and yet so many of yall are just complacent in them saying “I hate men” and all this other stuff and are just like “yeah that’s understandable”

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Anonymous #6 3w

if you haven't i recommend We Should All Be Feminists by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, and Everyday Sexism by Laura Bates.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Part of feminism is understanding women's fear, as well as understanding men's frustration. Getting mad or offended isn't going to teach the woman why they shouldn't say they hate men. Getting mad or offended isn't going to make you seem like a person a women would want to trust. Not leading with empathy is a surefire way to not ever come to a conclusion that benefits everyone.

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Anonymous OP 3w

“Lead with empathy” but it’s ok to say you hate an entire gender

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Anonymous #6 3w

but also what do i know, im going on abt how you shouldn't believe everything you see online so if that means you start with me and don't believe a word I say or take any of my actual recommendations to make yourself a more well rounded person that truly understands women and instead just want to stay angry and offended then by all means do that. im sure thats the best way to respond women's bad behavior.

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Anonymous #6 3w

another book i also recommend is moi les hommes, je les déteste by french author pauline harmange. the original is in french but if you don't speak or read french i suggest the english version. please leave here today with the knowledge that the resources for you to actually understand feminism are there for you whenever you're ready.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I don’t hate women nor am I angry with women, I have several friends that are women. What I don’t do is give women a free pass to bad behavior the same way I don’t for men

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Anonymous OP 3w

“I hate black people. But you shouldn’t take that personally, you should try to understand why I’d be upset or angry with black people.”

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Anonymous #9 3w

Yeah so actually this isn't at all the same. If you're a white person and you hate black people then that's just being racist. Since white people aren't oppressed. It be more similar if a black person were to say they hate white people (which i have heard them say before). You could say that's also racist and get angry or you can try to understand why they might hate their oppressors. It's up to you though. I rather hate the system than the individual.

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Anonymous OP 3w

But I’m not a communist, so I don’t believe in the logic that being a member of an ‘oppressed class’ gives you free reign to do same the things you say are evil when the ‘oppressor class’ does them.

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Anonymous #9 3w

and maybe if you've you've experienced years of oppression and discrimination you'd feel differently

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Anonymous OP 3w

or at least be angry at your oppressors

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Anonymous OP 3w

I’d be more okay with hypocrisy?

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