Anonymous #6 3w

That’s a post hoc rationalization.

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Anonymous #2 3w

What does that mean?

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Anonymous #6 3w

They took an instinct they had, which is to say “I hate men” and then tried to come up with a reason that it’s fine after the fact.

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Anonymous #2 3w

I guess so

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Anonymous #4 3w

So misandry is a direct consequence of misogyny. They aren’t separated entities and instead are two sides of the same coin. misandry comes from the centuries long decades of abuse and oppression that women faced at the hands of a system that favored men. so if you hate misandry then you also hate the patriarchy.

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Anonymous #12 3w

This

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Anonymous #12 3w

you can downvote me all you want but this is prime reason why being an advocate for feminism and gender equality is imperative for all genders. its not man vs woman but us vs the patriarchy.

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Anonymous #11 3w

The idea of equality is typically seen as a threat to people who have power over others, which is why feminism usually receives such a negative to neutral reaction from men

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Anonymous #2 3w

It’s an instinct?

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Anonymous #13 3w

Thank you! Like duh not all men are monsters but also given the systemic oppression of women by the patriarchy I get why a generalization of resentment towards men exists. Sexism is pervasive in our society that I don't think most men fully grasp the breadth of

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Anonymous #12 3w

Yuuuuuup

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Anonymous #11 3w

I literally acknowledged this in my post. Doesn’t change my mind one bit

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Anonymous OP 3w

You’re saying you don’t care why women distrust and dislike men and think it’s a double standard for victims to dislike their oppressors

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Anonymous OP 3w

I do understand your perspective but I think it's harder to 'get over' than you think. Like ok if men have wronged women they are allowed to be upset about it and be wary of men? Maybe I'm misunderstanding you idk

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Anonymous OP 3w

Like I still think the context of why women feel this way is important. They aren't scared or frustrated with men for no reason. It all has very real merit.

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Anonymous OP 3w

And I don't think it's an excuse to be outright rude to strangers but I also think women being wary of men keeps them safe, women be frustrated about barriers to their career due to patriarchy is valid etc etc. I'm in agreement with you that women shouldn't just cuss out every man they see on the street and shit but I think it's severely lacking empathy and logic to essentially say women aren't allowed to be upset about how systemic sexism and gender based violence impacts them

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Anonymous #13 3w

No, I’m saying I already know and that it doesn’t make it okay to “hate” a group

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Anonymous OP 3w

So you think that women aren't allowed not allowed to dislike the patriarchy despite how deeply it harms them? Tbh man that sounds mad insensitive like oh you got fucked over well you can't be upset about it and dislike the system that does this to you.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Do you mean women shouldn't feel that way or they shouldn't vocalize it? Either way ur saying women should suppress their feelings and voice about how they are negatively treated. I'm really trying to meet you halfway here and understand ur perspective but tbh this just sounds bad the way you say it

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Anonymous OP 3w

I can agree women shouldn't berate all men they meet out of nowhere but I also think to say women aren't allowed to feel this way or vocalize how injustices impact them is also a really terrible take

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Anonymous OP 3w

I'd say it's actually more immature to take a statement like that personally as it shows you either don't understand the root of the statement or you don't care about the root of the statement. Both are bad and arguably worse than a poor generalization

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Anonymous #11 3w

When did I say you can’t dislike it? Doesn’t mean you should say “I hate men” as a response. Especially when 95+% of us have nothing to do with your problems. From a guys perspective, saying you hate them is actually going to make them less sympathetic to your problems. Yall will downvote me for this but it’s the truth 🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #11 3w

How can you not take it personally when someone literally says “I hate (demographic you are a part of)”? That implies you don’t like me whether you mean it or not and that is a red flag to me. Sorry

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Anonymous OP 3w

You didn't say women can't dislike it but you are essentially saying you don't think they should be able to express that in a way

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Anonymous OP 3w

I think you don't take it personally by recognizing that the general statement isn't about you it's about a system . . . I mean I get it. I hate being lumped in with something negative that's normal but still

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Anonymous OP 3w

I feel like instead of being like, 'it sucks to be generalized, how can i contribute to bettering men's reputation and fixing the issue' you're just saying it hurts your feelings so women shouldn't vocalize their feelings and challenges which is not super cool :/

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Anonymous OP 3w

Even if you don't directly and personally victimize women (which all men do in some what or another) that doesn't mean you don't benefit from and feed into the patriarchy and which fuels this. Trust me I get that it sucks to have something negative about a group that you belong to but again it's not about you personally and you being upset about it doesn't fix the issue at hand man

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Anonymous #11 3w

Bro there are ways to talk about your problems without being hateful. It doesn’t take rocket science to figure it out

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Anonymous OP 3w

I mean yeah but I agreed with you from the beginning that women shouldn't be assholes to random men about it.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I just think we have much bigger problems here than nitpicking the exact phrasing women use to express this frustration

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Anonymous #15 3w

Men with fragile egos and a lack of empathy feel this way

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Anonymous #11 3w

Sorry you feel that way🤷‍♂️

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Anonymous #12 3w

But the flip side of that coin is that misandry will also cause misogyny. It’s not a one-way cause-effect, it’s a self-feeding cycle, and if you want to break the cycle you have to fight both, not just explain away one as a side-effect of the other.

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Anonymous #2 3w

Hey, No. ❤️😋

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Anonymous #3 3w

Yo, people can have shitty days and have doubt. Thats literally what being human is. But we typically over come doubts and shitty days on our own time. You are a red flag if you think everyday should be happy and sunshine. Because that’s not really realistic.

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Anonymous #18 3w

I mean this same logic can be used to justify other statements that are definitely not okay either, like “I hate women” or “I hate gay people” or “I hate Muslims” or “I hate black people”. None of those are tolerated as reasonable things to say (rightly so) so why is “I hate men” treated as any less problematic?

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Anonymous #9 3w

Because cultural Marxism takes the oppressed vs oppressor lens from the proletariat vs bourgeoisie classes, and applied it over literally every category possible. So it’s okay to hate men cause they’re the oppressors of women, whites cause they’re the oppressors of blacks, straights cause they’re the oppressors of gays, and Christians cause they’re the oppressors of Muslims, but not the other way around.

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Anonymous #17 3w

Correction: any ideas that aren’t stupid. (Jkjk lol although I really don’t get how people legitimately subscribe to that). Serious question tho everything else aside how are Christians the oppressors of Muslims?

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Anonymous #17 3w

And also isn’t the general definition of racism/sexism/etc hating or otherwise being prejudiced against someone due to categories they are in? How is that not racism or sexism or etc? Like you are generalizing over a whole group of people and treating them as lesser/excusing hateful speech against individuals of that group solely due to their membership in it. Just because someone is white or male or straight or Christian doesn’t make them of lesser value or evil or oppressors

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Anonymous #17 3w

Isn’t it supposed to be judging someone on the content of their character not the color of their skin?

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Anonymous #9 3w

Yes to everything you just said. I 1000% agree with you. Unfortunately, lots of people today have been raised and brainwashed by commies to believe what I described above. That bringing about equality can only be done by tearing down your oppressors. And that therefore any act against a member of the oppressor class is justified, while any act against themself is oppression.

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Anonymous #9 3w

This is also why they constantly turn on each other, because of what is referred to as the ‘progressive stack’ - where do you fall in the pecking order of oppression? If a woman attacks a man, that’s punching up. But what if it’s a white woman and a black man, does that make her the oppressor? But what if she’s a trans woman and he’s cis, is she back to being the victim fighting an oppressor, does that mean she’s justified after all? But what if he’s disabled…

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Anonymous #9 3w

It’s all garbage nonsense, but it’s the way they’ve been taught is acceptable to think. And if you speak out that it’s dumb, you’re an evil racist sexist ableist homophobic transphobic islamaphobic fascist bigot.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I've figured out why this post bothered me. It's lack of nuance. Two things can be true at once. Sure women saying "I hate men" can be hurtful and considered rude (although I do think there's still value in women expressing frustration with disenfranchisement even if it's not in a way that you particularly like, they are still entitled to that) it can be argued that it gets us

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Anonymous #11 3w

Nowhere. Which can be true at the same time that women's 'hatred' per se for men is valid through the ways they are broadly and repeatedly victimized by the patriarchy. That's what I've been trying to say. Both can be true. If you think of it only from your narrow perspective, that also gets us nowhere if you can't hold value for both viewpoints. Thank you I rest my case

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Anonymous #11 3w

Disenfranchisement, victimized, patriarchy… this is just buzz word salad

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Anonymous #3 3w

Not a buzz word salad those words actually have value within their sentences as I like using vocabulary words that properly articulate my point but I can put it in easier to read plain language if that would help you understand my point

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Anonymous #3 3w

It would be buzz word slop if the sentences were fluff but they weren't I'm just educated and that's how I write

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Anonymous #11 3w

The issue here is that these are two different statements that you are treating as interchangeable. “I hate men” is not interchangeable with “I hate the patriarchy”, “I hate the system”, or “I hate sexism”. The latter statements are all ‘I hate x behavior/structure that hurts me’. The original is ‘I hate a category of people’. There is a *big* difference in what you express your hatred towards.

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Anonymous #10 3w

I mean sure but I do think women say it plenty about non romantic partners as well. In fact anytime I'm shared that sentiment personally I'd say it's almost never about a man I was involved with

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Anonymous #10 3w

Hard to quantify this

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Anonymous #17 3w

What people say and what they mean is not always the same thing. I think people generalize it a lot and equate it even though you're right they're technically different but again it's like you can control their word choice. And I do think that men inherently contribute to patriarchy and feed into this so thus that's where the connection is made

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Anonymous #17 3w

Also if we're being honest, conversationally people shorten things and saying 'I hate men' rather than 'I hate how men are socialized in our patriarchal society' is what you get. Not saying that specificity doesn't matter but when women say this to each other i generally think they understand the nuance and connection when men just take it at face value

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Anonymous #17 3w

Again not saying ur wrong. Your point about specificity isn't bad but you know, not airtight exactly

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