Anonymous #1 11w

I know that but the dems in office are refusing to get behind him & are instead leaning into the attacks that Mike Roger’s the republican senate nominee are launching against Abdul El Sayed

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Anonymous OP 11w

Because he refuses to stand against terrorists and supports very unpopular things. The DSA are communists, that does play well in the rust belt

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Anonymous #2 11w

The DSA are communist?? What are you taking about actually communist criticism of the DSA is that they aren’t communist. Hell many members aren’t even socialist and are instead social democrats. So what you’re saying makes 0 sense. Also polling in Michigan done by UGov shows literally the exact opposite of what you’re claiming

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Anonymous #2 11w

*does not play well

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Anonymous OP 11w

Mamdani said he wants to seize the means of production. Hasan Piker who campaigns with these people openly praises Soviet Russia and Mao Zedong. You have DSA endorsed candidates calling for private property to be abolished.

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Anonymous #2 11w

Mamdani is the most popular politician in the country right now & loved by NY. The average American doesn’t really know much about the Soviet Union & definitely doesn’t know about Mao Zendong in any meaningful capacity nor do I think they care all that much. Not to mention Piker has started multiple times he’s not a Stalinist or a Maoist & acknowledges the bad or harm that happened under them although I again don’t think the average person cares all that much about that stuff & instead care far

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Anonymous OP 11w

More about politicians addressing the economy & cost of living

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Anonymous OP 11w

Piker said in a speech at Yale one of the greatest tragedies of the 20th century was the fall of the Soviet Union

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Anonymous #2 11w

Who the fuck is inviting these meaningless twitch tankies to Yale I say this as a progressive

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Anonymous OP 11w

He also called Mao Zedong one of the greatest leaders of this world

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Anonymous #2 11w

I mean I personally don’t think the USSR was some great society & that the same time I can acknowledge that the fall of the USSR caused a ton of death & economic instability which I would consider a tragedy plus it’s not like it was replaced with something great look at Russia now. But my point is I think the average voter & citizen doesn’t think Hasan Piker & his views on the USSR is a priority issue in their day to day life assuming they even know dude exists. Like there’s so many more

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Anonymous OP 11w

Important things things then what does the Twitch streamer Hasan Piker thing about the fall of the USSR they won’t make a difference in the cost of living, fix or harm the economy it’s irrelevant for the average person

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Anonymous OP 11w

Correct. However, if voters pay attention there is clearly a shift happening to socialism with eventual full transition into communism.

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Anonymous #2 11w

AES is literally a self described capitalist

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Anonymous #2 11w

Yeah, the Democratic SOCIALISTS of America are communists, you’re totally right dude

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Anonymous masterdebater6769 11w

That too. He hasn’t been endorsed by the DSA for that very reason

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Anonymous masterdebater6769 11w

Yeah maybe in Dubai. Not in America. Capitalist do not ever want more govt control

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Anonymous #5 11w

Hell the founder of DSA was anti communist & even had rules in place to keep communist out. They only recently got rid of those rules

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Anonymous #2 11w

What are you talking about the government is literally ran by capitalist who keep trying to gain more power & control

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Anonymous #2 11w

The capitalists currently in power love the idea of government mass surveillance. JD Vance and Peter Thiel crew love big government

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Anonymous OP 11w

I just wish these people would take two fucking seconds to realize what they’re saying. Like how fucking stupid do you have to be to say that the DSA are communists when they have explicitly been socialist this entire time

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Anonymous #5 11w

💯

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Anonymous #5 11w

Im fine with socialist parties I just hate the tankies who make their personality embracing the evil empire but in red when running from our own evil empire

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Anonymous #5 11w

Karl Marx wrote about how socialism will lead to communism. When the system inevitably fails under socialism then the govt will seize the means of production. It’s all by design.

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Anonymous #3 11w

It’s ok, as a leftist, tankies also annoy me so I get it

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Anonymous #2 11w

Marx never used the term socialist, at least not our modern day definition. He used the terms “first phase communism” and “second phase communism” in a description of how capitalism moves to communism

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Anonymous #5 11w

Right the more we associate ourselves with crackpots like darialeza chevalier and piker the less electable we get to this country of buzzword addicted moderates that are so close to class consciousness

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Anonymous #3 11w

Socialism doesn’t work either. America reached prosperity under capitalist free markets.

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Anonymous #2 11w

Yeah bro, America is doing great rn lmaooo

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Anonymous #5 11w

If you think America is not a mixed economy I can’t help you. Capitalist societies don’t have bloated bureaucracies like we have

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Anonymous #2 11w

This mf really said capitalist societies don’t have bloated bureaucracies 😭 Also if America is a mixed economy (it is, I never denied that) then you can’t say we achieved prosperity through capitalist free markets. Literally by your own admission just leaving out parts of the story

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Anonymous #5 11w

Agreed although I feel like people who are against leftists love to point to tankies. When they are a small minority and mainly vocal online & like you said we all find them annoying but they don’t have any real power or say hell leftist in general have very little power or say in politics although they’re slowly starting to grow a foothold although it’s still tiny at best

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Anonymous OP 11w

I think the fact that we tolerate them is bad. We don’t tolerate people who support the current regime why are tolerating ones who supported past ones? Especially those of Mao and Stalin

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Anonymous #5 11w

We didn’t become the biggest economy in the world because of governmental policy. We became it because of the opportunity capitalism produced. Fast forward to today and govt has almost wrecked it in the biggest population centers we have. The welfare state has grown exponentially. It more mixed now than it ever has been

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Anonymous #2 11w

Ah yes, the welfare state is definitely grown too much. Ignore the fact programs such as social security are going to run out of money or that our welfare is actually dogshit

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Anonymous #5 11w

Oh the govt can’t run social programs? I’m shocked. SHOCKED I TELL YOU!

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Anonymous #2 11w

Turns out when you defund them they tend to fall apart, yes that’s how reality works, congrats on that discovery. They don’t just magically fall apart bc socialism bad

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Anonymous #5 11w

“Defund the police”

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Anonymous #1 11w

Where in this conversation have I mentioned defunding the police? Haven’t even remotely hinted at it

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Anonymous #5 11w

Well I just want leftist to admit that defunding the police would cause them to fall apart not get magically better

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Anonymous #5 11w

Is govt allocated 4.2 trillion to social programs last year so I would love to know exactly what we cut

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Anonymous #3 11w

What real tankie is in any real position of power or prominence?

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Anonymous OP 11w

Zohran Mamdani

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Anonymous OP 11w

Also the chirping of some annoying ass tankies online is the least of our worries currently in this country

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Anonymous #1 11w

Again, what does this have to do with what I was talking about? I say the word “defund” in regard to social welfare programs and it’s like the word triggered the sleeper agent in your head to start babbling on about law enforcement

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Anonymous #2 11w

Damn that’s almost how much cash we send to Israel on a monthly basis

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Anonymous #5 11w

#2 doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about lmao

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Anonymous #1 11w

Zohran Mamdani is far from a tankie & is constantly criticized by dumb ass tankies hell no one named so far in this thread is a tankie the closest person named in here to a tankie is Darializa & she’s still not one. Although I shouldn’t be surprised that someone who thought the DSA was communist would believe Zohran Mamdani is a tankie

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Anonymous #8 11w

Truly a shocker

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