Anonymous troybolton12 1d

Anti freedom and and anti forced pregnancy

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Anonymous #3 1d

Forced pregnancy 😂😂😂

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Anonymous #1 23h

Well I guess if the alternative is killing a human being I am pro birth yeah

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Anonymous #5 22h

Thanks for self-identifying as misogynist.

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Anonymous #5 22h

The choice to not be pregnant for 9 months, go through childbirth, and then raise a child?

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Anonymous #6 22h

and also the choice TO do all those things!

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Anonymous #6 22h

I’m not at all against people choosing whether or not to conceive a child. That’s completely up to them

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Anonymous #1 22h

Because I’m opposed to violently murdering baby girls for being girls via abortion? Yeah I’m such a misogynist for being critical of the procedure that caused 40 million girls to be “missing” in China

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Anonymous #5 22h

then why did you ask?

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Anonymous #5 22h

Infanticide and abortion are separate terms. Read a dictionary. Then read a history book.

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Anonymous #1 22h

It’s called sex selective abortion which is considered to be a form of violence against women.

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Anonymous #6 22h

Because abortion involves killing a child that was already conceived, at which point it becomes wrong. You can make a choice to not raise a child, that also doesn’t give you the right to kill the child once you’ve created it before or after birth.

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Anonymous #5 22h

Ok and your solution to helping women in China is taking away women’s rights in America? Maybe if you eschewed the bad faith arguments and talked about solutions instead of how you FEEL, we could get somewhere. But removing the choice from women puts you on the same morality level as the people killing baby girls.

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Anonymous #1 22h

My solution is outlawing the killing of children

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Anonymous #1 22h

Also Sex selective abortion absolutely happens in America as well, to a lesser degree but it absolutely still happens. And the first step to solving that is making it illegal to kill unborn children in the womb at all

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Anonymous #5 22h

That’s not a solution. That’s putting desperate people into desperate situations because of how you feel. You won’t stop abortions by making it illegal. You’re simply making people risk their health for a child they can’t provide for.

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Anonymous #1 21h

You don’t have to conceive a child if you don’t want to. We don’t stop violent crime completely by making it illegal but it’s good that it is. Also pro lifers literally have tons of free services to help struggling parents, feel free to volunteer at a CPC if you want to help.

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Anonymous #5 21h

durRr i dOnt hAVe AN ISsUe WItH YoUr choicE to mAKE A bABY! yeah nobody was talking about that you troglodyte. stop playing/being stupid

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Anonymous #7 21h

I can call anti infanticide laws “pro forced parentification” but that doesn’t make it true does it

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Anonymous #7 21h

Except they literally were because they said “the choice to not be pregnant for nine months, to go through childbirth and raise a child.” You don’t have to become pregnant or raise a child. Problem solved

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Anonymous #5 21h

well actually it does. parents are in fact forced by law to parent unless they are deemed unfit. not the gotcha you thought it was; kinda just proving my point that the framing is subjective and at the end of the day you are in support of criminalizing abortion which means you are in favor of forced incubation and birth. dummy

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Anonymous #5 21h

they literally weren't. your comment is standalone

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Anonymous #7 21h

And you’re in favor of forcing people to be parents by law and making it illegal for them to kill their children???

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Anonymous #5 21h

you replied to the post which says nothing about "the choice not to be pregnant"

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Anonymous #7 21h

I thought you meant me replying to #6 since that is when I said I don’t have an issue with people choosing whether or not to have a baby

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Anonymous #5 21h

i never made a prescriptive claim you moron. that's a descriptive claim. learn the difference before you start philosophical arguments

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Anonymous #7 21h

I was responding to #6 who referenced the choice not to be pregnant for nine months, which is why I said I don’t care if someone chooses not to be pregnant.

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Anonymous #7 21h

You just said “well actually it (referring to anti infanticide laws being forced parentification since that’s what I brought up” does. Parents are in fact forced by law to be parents unless the law deems them unfit.” So are you saying you support that

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Anonymous #5 21h

I mean that's one way to phrase it

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Anonymous #5 21h

the amount of mental gymnastics to not admit you're pro forced birth is hilarious

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Anonymous #7 21h

I'm lowkey more a supporter of contraceptives and safe sex then fetal termination and murder but ok pro forced birth sounds

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Anonymous #7 21h

Are you pro forced parentification

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Anonymous troybolton12 21h

Same!

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Anonymous #3 21h

Atp just make murder legal lol

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Anonymous #5 21h

I agreed with you until this comment, SA is forced conception so not it’s not always this simple

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Anonymous #7 21h

People give up their kids for adoption all the time though

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Anonymous #5 21h

It's not forced if you didn't take precautions and also giving them up

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Anonymous #8 20h

I mean based on principle, i don’t think people should be forced to conceive kids if they don’t want to. Sometimes that happens which is an incredibly terrible thing, and it shouldn’t happen. That’s my position

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Anonymous #5 20h

It is definitely terrible and it’s not sometimes, it happens very very often. Like every day kind of often. I’m on the fence about it because im an SA survivor and people who live through this didn’t choose to get pregnant and the fetus didn’t choose to be conceived but also harming it because of someone else’s evilness also isn’t cool in my opinion. It’s a push and pull for me

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Anonymous #5 17h

okay first off no one’s okay with people killing their child AFTER birth. But also, even pretending that a fetus is a living child that can be killed, no living thing has the right to use another living things body without their consent. If the mother does not consent to being pregnant, she has the right to abort the fetus. Women are people not incubators.

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Anonymous #6 17h

Yeah I agree. And just like it’s wrong to kill a child after birth because you don’t want to raise it, it’s wrong to kill a child before birth if you don’t want to raise it. I’m not sure what exactly you think a fetus is but it’s objectively a living human being, and a human being in an early stage of development is a child. All living things have a right to not be killed. You cannot kill a breastfeeding infant, for example, just because it’s dependent on your body to live.

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Anonymous #5 16h

A breastfeeding infant is not dependent on one person to survive. It can be fed by anyone who is lactating or by formula in a bottle. Perhaps fetus was the wrong word to use, most abortions happen when it is still an embryo, which is a clump of cells. Sure, it has the potential to become a baby, but so do individual sperm and egg cells. No one considers those to be killed babies though.

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Anonymous #6 16h

And again, it does not have the right to use the mother’s body against her will. The adult (hopefully 😭) and alive woman gets to choose whether she wants to be pregnant or not.

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Anonymous #6 16h

So is it being dependent on one person or being dependent on someone else’s body? Formula was not a thing throughout most of human history and many places today still don’t have access to it. People in the US don’t have access to it. If you could breastfeed your baby but decide not to and it starves, is that not neglect?

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Anonymous #6 16h

You get to choose whether you want to be pregnant or not. You get to choose whether you want to be a parent or not. You don’t get to kill your living human child after it was conceived because you don’t want to be a parent anymore. And an embryo is a living human organism. All humans are clumps of cells. That’s what being a living organism entails usually

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Anonymous #6 16h

Individual sperm and egg are not human organisms which is why no one cares about them. A zygote is the first stage of development of a human being.

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Anonymous #5 16h

Obv people care about them and is a cell living or no living

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Anonymous troybolton12 16h

A cell is alive but we care about whole human organisms, not just the cells that are part of them.

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Anonymous troybolton12 16h

Idk who cares about sperm and eggs? Anyway the whole point of the person I was responding to is that people don’t care about those so not sure what you’re saying

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Anonymous #5 15h

parentification is when a child is forced to adopt the roles and responsibilities of an adult before its age appropriate. are you asking if i support that, or asking if i support laws that criminalize child neglect?

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Anonymous #8 15h

if you give up children for adoption you are legally no longer a parent of that child. that's also not the same as not having a legal obligation to care for your offspring. up until that child is put up for adoption that parent is absolutely legally required to parent them; regardless of long term intentions

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Anonymous #7 15h

You can give them up for adoption directly after delivery so no you have zero obligation to that child lmao

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Anonymous troybolton12 15h

right. so you're pro forced incubation and forced birth. idk why you're all so adamant on trying to reframe it. no amount of mental gymnastics changes that

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Anonymous #8 13h

are you illiterate? can you read? genuine questions; please answer honestly

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Anonymous #7 11h

Do you support laws that mandate people take responsibility for their biological offspring

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Anonymous #5 10h

i reject the framing of the question. i support laws that ensure guardians (whether biological, foster, adoptive, legal guardians, etc.) take responsibility for their kids. parents are obligated by law to do this unless they are deemed unfit or legally give up their parenthood

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Anonymous #7 10h

What’s unclear? You said people have to parent those children not matter how short term, I’m telling you that no parenting has to be involved other than carrying it and labor and to me that’s not even being a parent. There literally is no obligation other than nourishing the baby and making sure it’s not physically injured and tbh a lot of people don’t even care to do that and the baby has to suffer for it. It didn’t ask to be here just as it didn’t ask to die either

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Anonymous #8 9h

you support forced incubating and birthing. i don't you brought up laws against infanticide; infancy is a stage of development of a *born* baby. a fetus is not an infant. abortion is not infanticide you misused the word "parentification" to ask me if i support laws that mandate biological parents care for their kids; i said no because i only care that legal guardians provide for children under their care got it?

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Anonymous #7 8h

I’m not actually the one who brought up the laws or infanticide, I was just saying that no one is entitled to be a parent

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Anonymous #8 48m

you brought up infanticide. you need to demand an apology from your parents for using your head like a kickball in childhood 🫵😂

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Anonymous #7 47m

…do you not understand an analogy?

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Anonymous #7 46m

Also #8 is not me omg. Y‘all are so confident calling other people stupid and you really shouldn’t be

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Anonymous #8 45m

and guess what... i never said anyone was entitled to be a parent. you just failed to engage in reading comprehension, then asked dumb questions using words you don't understand and confused yourself

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Anonymous #7 42m

Infanticide is killing a human infant. Abortion is killing a human fetus. You support forced parenting. Do you think if a biological parent abandons their child in a dumpster that’s perfectly fine? That’s not child neglect? Do you think they’re obligated to take care of their children until they can find a different suitable caretaker at minimum? Then you support forced parenting. You’re right, parentification *is* something different! Almost like that’s the whole point.

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Anonymous #7 41m

Legally biological parents are obligated to be parents unless they can find a suitable other caretaker, until then they are responsible. Do you think someone shouldn’t leave a baby they gave birth to in a dumpster?

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Anonymous #5 40m

lol i have 3 people all saying different stupid shit to me, my bad. plus you both had the same icon color but then they changed. anyway, you're the dunce who failed to contented the words "up until" and then went and made the most "i'm reading to respond, not reading to understand" ass comment

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Anonymous #7 38m

„Up until” so you agree they are obligated to be parents until the child can safely be taken care of by someone else. So you agree, right?

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Anonymous #7 37m

Also brilliant excuse. I can’t believe you have the gall to call anyone else stupid when you can’t tell apart numbers or listen to people when they clearly explain things like “I did not bring up infanticide”.

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Anonymous #5 34m

parentification is when a child is put into an adults role by their guardian(s) before its age appropriate. not at all relevant; children who are forced to carry children are not being "parentified"

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Anonymous #5 33m

you asked if i support laws that force BIOLOGICAL parents to take responsibility. i do not. i already told yalls dumbasses that i support laws that protect children from neglect by placing an onus on their legal guardians to care for them; whoever that is in a given moment

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Anonymous #5 31m

"legally biological parents are obligated" sounds a lot like "parents are obligated by law to do this unless they are demented unfit or legally give up their parenthood" why are you repeating me?

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Anonymous #5 30m

so you're against adoption and fostering right?

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Anonymous #7 30m

Amazing. So you support the law forcing people to take care of their children. You support forced parentification.

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Anonymous #5 29m

oh my god you're a helpless troglodyte

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Anonymous #5 29m

begone, dunce

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Anonymous #7 28m

Forced gestation is a crime under international law referring to the forced confinement of a woman who was raped and very explicitly does not apply to abortion laws and is thus not relevant. Almost like that accusation is fucking ridiculous or something

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Anonymous #7 27m

Except they are. Because biological parents always have responsibility unless they can give the baby to a safe alternative. If they can’t, they are responsible until they can. They aren’t allowed to kill their child.

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Anonymous #7 26m

No I’m against people killing their children

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Anonymous #7 26m

Again you’re pretty fucking bold for calling people stupid when you can’t tell apart numbers or read what they are telling you in clear language

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Anonymous #5 22m

that's what i said

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Anonymous #7 21m

You support laws that force people to take care of children. And if parents don’t do this they’re not just deemed unfit, they’re arrested and charged with neglect or even murder if the child dies.

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Anonymous #5 21m

lol acting like it's dumb that i didn't look at the numbers when the icons were the same color is hilarious when you're dumb as rocks. you literally don't have reading comprehension. multiple times you've demonstrated this. you're literally repeating my arguments back to me as if i didn't already make them, and all it's doing is supporting my points

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Anonymous #5 18m

goalpost shift

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Anonymous #5 17m

"... biological offspring... " vs "... children... "

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Anonymous #7 6m

Except unless you support biological parents leaving their children in a dumpster you also support that biological parents provide their kids with a minimum amount of care, at the very least they are obligated to do so until they can find a suitable alternative caretaker.

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