Anonymous #1 1w

Where are urban environments located? Within more left leaning states with easier access to immigration. Where have immigrants historically relocated to/ where are these people’s families? Those places

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Anonymous OP 1w

i know but immigrants are only taking low wage rural jobs in the southwest and california for agricultural work, they aren’t doing that in other parts of the country, those jobs stay vacant

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Anonymous #1 1w

Also within urban environments there’s still a need for people who will work for incredibly low wages. If you go to the dishwashing pit of any restaurant in NYC it will be all immigrants, even when everyone in front of house is white and American (I speak as a white person who has worked food service in NYC). Do you think this is because there is DEI hiring for the dishwashing crew?

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Anonymous OP 1w

no i’m just saying that immigrants aren’t necessarily helping the vacancies in rural jobs because they don’t move to rural areas (or at least rarely do)

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Anonymous #1 1w

Ya there are large physical areas w vacant jobs and most of this is geographic. We are witnessing a rise in urban growth and a decline in rural population. We should accurately compensate rural laborers to dissuade this.

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Anonymous #1 1w

Also there are just certain fields, amount the same low wage ones, that immigrants are predominant in. One of them is healthcare, specifically elder care. We have an uneven aging population that needs service and have not raised the next gen into going into those fields as they won’t be lucrative until they are absolutely necessary.

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Anonymous OP 1w

*among

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Anonymous #1 1w

The whole immigrant right wing outcry in the US started in rural areas. In the Midwest mainly

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Anonymous #2 1w

holy shit i’ve never heard a worse take what the actual fuck lmao

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Anonymous poopsock.pdf 1w

Which part is wrong?

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Anonymous OP 1w

true which is interesting because of the relative lack of immigrants in those areas

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Anonymous #2 1w

Okay so many places to start with this comment. If you are concerned mostly for workers why increase international students? Those are students that have enough money to move overseas at 18 (usually), and therefore will not be taking lower wage positions

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Anonymous #1 1w

In what areas?

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Anonymous OP 1w

They aren’t taking lower wage positions, they are taking high paying jobs but taking low wages in those positions since it’s still more than their home country. One of the industries that brings in the most is tech, which pays a shit ton. International students for one learn their worth through our schooling system, since they are comparing themselves to other workers here instead of workers in their poorer home countries, as well as working with career coaches that can help them realize (1)

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Anonymous OP 1w

Much their labor is worth. The fact that most international students are also rich just kinda helps the point, as they also aren’t going to be as willing to take underpaying offers at big time jobs. (2)

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Anonymous #2 1w

So you’re talking about a different demographic than me. It’s a largely wealthy South Asian/ Indian population moving to the US for tech industries. That’s not the demographic I was rephrasing

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Anonymous #2 1w

You’re taking about international students, I’m talking about immigrant labor in general.

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Anonymous OP 1w

Those are also a lot of the international students today though. I work with a bunch of international students in my research lab and the majority of them are from South Asia (like half and half between Nepal and Bangladesh).

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Anonymous OP 1w

* referencing

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Anonymous #2 1w

Did you see my other comments? Most immigrants aren’t international students lmao

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Anonymous OP 1w

Yeah now, I’m saying that they should be. We limit the amount of international students taking in and I’m saying we should increase those limits.

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Anonymous OP 1w

This also has the side effect of helping our research long term at a time where the current administration has cut away at it greatly and pushed a lot of scientists away

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Anonymous #2 1w

Why not allow both? If nothing else, we actually need people for labor positions more than we need people in research/ academic positions. Academia is a very crowded industry for people born& raised here, as it is elite & is $ driven. Do we need more capital as a state or to pay people to do the jobs we need? We need expansion everywhere, but specifically in certain geographic areas & low wage jobs (specifically those in healthcare)

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Anonymous OP 1w

Why not increase the amount of international students we take in healthcare? It’s not like it’s some factory job where you don’t need a college education. I’m not trying to say every international student will go into academia, but bringing the best of the best around the world to here is a nice extra benefit.

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Anonymous #2 1w

What’s the point of research if the farms aren’t tended to? Or if the trash isn’t taken off the streets? Or if the dishes aren’t done at restaurants? Or if the foundations for buildings aren’t laid? Etc

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Anonymous #1 1w

Have you ever been to eastern Washington? Eastern Oregon? The California Central Valley? The triangle of meat-packing in Kansas? Tons of immigrants move to wherever there’s need for their labor. California is disproportionate because it has a lot of crops that need to be hand-picked. Mechanical automation means you don’t need hand pickers for corn in the way you do for cauliflower. But if there’s a meat packing plant or an orchard they will come and work.

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Anonymous #4 1w

As someone born and raised in the PNW can confirm- at the very least people up here know that you drive east into the country to get good Mexican food

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Anonymous OP 1w

I’m moving to eastern Oregon at the moment, I am looking forward to some good Mexican food. I still have to correct myself every time I type though. I’m from Virginia so I automatically type “east” for urban and “west” for rural but in Oregon it’s reversed.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Haha totally understandable

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