Anonymous blue__wave 6d

True wtf is that

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Anonymous OP 5d

We know what third position is..

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

Not a facist, don’t remember asking

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Anonymous #3 5d

Look it up

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Anonymous #3 5d

This is Exactly what I mean!!!!

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Anonymous #3 5d

Ask me! Ask me what my position is! Hint: not facism

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Anonymous OP 5d

I'm gonna reply under the assumption that you're acting in good faith, and are unware that the 3rd Position is a term used to encompass neofascist thought that emerged in the Cold War. It's a good idea to stop using the term if you actually want to recruit people to your faith who aren't fucking demented.

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 5d

Maybe 3rd Option would be a better title,(?) yet I do resent the bit on the end that was pointed at my religion. I meant to make a humorous and historical joke on the Palestine – Israel contra.

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Anonymous OP 5d

What’s your position then just clarify

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Anonymous OP 5d

I'm not saying your faith is demented. I'm saying that people who identify with what is commonly known as the 3rd Position are demented.

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

My bad! 3rd Option

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

“If either side doesn’t eat bacon, not my problem”, seems to have become pretty popular, so the Holy Land can go to neither, instead going to its true original inhabitants, Christians. Due to recent continuous persecution, I nominate the Syrian and Syriac Orthodoxy followed by the Maronite then Ethiopian Orthodoxies.

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 5d

O.

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Anonymous full.metal.everything. 5d

Well the Nazis were a bunch of drug addled neo-pagans so guess that fits the demented category

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Anonymous OP 5d

Is that your main problem with them or did they do anything else that bothers you. Just wondering

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Anonymous OP 5d

True original inhabitants? Jesus was Jewish…

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Anonymous OP 5d

It should go to real original inhabitant me

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Anonymous OP 5d

If everyone is saying it I should be able to throw my hat in.

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Anonymous OP 5d

That place had inhabitants for like 10 thousand years before Christianity even existed

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Anonymous #5 5d

What, no, I was pointing out the specific fallacy that would go along with identifying me as a Nazi based on my presentation. Obviously they were evil Neo-pagans. Must I list out to every evil individual & crime?

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Anonymous #6 5d

Exactly

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

What makes you the original inhabitant?

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Anonymous #3 5d

Exactly, but Christianity is the true incarnation and inheritors of the land.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Who gaf if anyone can claim some weird theocratic claim to a land. Mormons can say they’re the true inheritors of Jesus and say they should own Palestine

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

OK, well one of those is a psychological deistic claim and the other is a theological Land claim. Not the same. I think they have a better claim the state of Utah but if they want it, let’s see them try and get it.

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Anonymous OP 5d

Wdym which one is a psychological deistic claim?

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Anonymous OP 5d

I think some of their crimes stand out above being neopagans. Lol

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Anonymous blue__wave 5d

Sorry, *theological, deistic claim

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Anonymous #5 5d

Those crimes were committed because of their beliefs. It’s kind of hard to separate them. It’s one of those “I have right until my right violet yours“, then it’s no longer right and in fact, it was a war crime and a crime against humanity. All that is to say, their police are 100% contributed to all of it.

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Anonymous OP 5d

It was their supremacist mindset that led to their crimes. I don’t think being neopagan makes you a supremacist

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Anonymous OP 5d

Ok I’m just trying to figure what the distinction is what makes one more legitimate than the other?

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Anonymous #5 4d

I would argue that It is not a mindset of supremacy, but rather what kind of supremacy

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Anonymous #5 4d

In addition it is almost like separating cannibalism, and “being a cannibalist”.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4d

It is not about legitimacy, but rather about effect. The Mormons or Jehovah’s Witness can deny the divinity of Christ all they want, but that does not make it true, as may Jewish religious figures in 🇮🇱. They would not be in Israel nor would they have a monopoly if they did not have an effective Land claim.

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Anonymous OP 4d

What’s the difference between an effective land claim and legitimacy. I don’t get how you’re defining things here.

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Anonymous OP 4d

What gives the christians an effective land claim?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4d

It is where Christ was sacrificed. Multiple holy events take place in that holy city, is where Christ will return and is the template for the new heaven and new earth. I will say the Jews have just as much of a claim, especially to the temple. The Muslims, however, had Jerusalem shoehorned into their Quran and other holy works around 200 years after the profitand was a land claim first but the justification second.

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Anonymous OP 4d

I feel like my critique still stands that anyone can fabricate some religious claim to a region. Ofc if you follow one religion you’re not gonna agree with the claims of other religions. How would you settle the dispute between Jews and Christian if this is how we’re deciding who gets what land?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4d

I don’t so much hear of problems between Christians and Jews in the holy land at least between each other, however, they do have a problem with a certain other religion.

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Anonymous OP 4d

Ofc bc no Christian is seriously staking out a claim to the land.

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Anonymous OP 4d

That would obviously change if there was a real push for Christians to control the land.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4d

No, they were & still are there(In places) with regular massacres to both Jews, and especially Christians(see Syriacs).

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Anonymous blue__wave 4d

I wish there were an effective push to stop and reverse ethnic cleansing of those Christians

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Anonymous OP 4d

No one said anything about them not being there. I assume you’re talking about political control of the region or what the majority demographic should be. We’ve pivoted to so many things in this convo lol

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Anonymous blue__wave 3d

Ha, yeah, let me clarify: In my ideal (Elmo world as far as I’m concerned), it’d be nice if the ethnic cleansing of Christians across the region could stop. Additionally, it’d be nice if Lebanon was restored to the “Israel for MENA For Christians. I believe this is realistic however unlikely. The restoration of the whole Levant, Anatolia, to Christendom, would be nice. This is unrealistic and unlikely.

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Anonymous OP 3d

The likely scenario is the cleansing of the unbelievers (in the “true” or “proper” Islamic faith) from the whole of Dar-Al-Islam.

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Anonymous OP 3d

Ok my understand is that Lebanon has legal protections for Christians but it’s never been a Christian Israel. They’ve divided power institutionally by faith it’s never been fully Christian dominated. That’s part of my previous point that if there was a real push for these ofc Muslim/ Jews would feel differently towards Christians.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3d

I don’t know about the second point. Please clarify. As to your first point, no, it has never been a super majority of Christians, however, it was a majority Christian nation, and there were real protections, that worked, there were reserved positions in government for Christians to ensure the Christians would not be dominated, and there was representation from multiple nations, including multiple sects of Christians. With an influx of Palestine “refugees”, there is now Hesballa.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3d

Is there a multiple other communities across the region obviously persecuted by Christians, independent of a theoretically protected state, such as Lebanon

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Anonymous OP 3d

So that’s what I mean it was never a Christian Israel. You’re saying the demographics and political order of those countries should change. I’m saying if there was a real push for that obviously Muslims and Jews would be against Christian.

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Anonymous blue__wave 3d

No, In regards to 🇱🇧, I’d like to see it restored to its pre-civil wa status Thoroughly pre-civil war

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Anonymous OP 2d

Wdym no?

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

I am arguing for restoration of Lebanon system and real protections for current communities as well as dwindling communities that they may be restored

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Anonymous blue__wave 2d

When I say no, I mean not some random push for ethnic cleansing or randomlychanging demographics. Demographics really wouldn’t be changing. It would be prevention of demographic change and protection for existing demographics

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