Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

I should’ve guessed you were a League player smh

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

LMFAOOOOO

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I’m sorry this absolutely sent me😭😭

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Emerald super star baby

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Fuck my stupid fat chungus life, I lost.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

we may have our differences, but I hope you get em next time. go teemo top lane teehee

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

And you’re gonna lose again if you try to defend Biden 2024 as a decision on the basis of optics and electability, especially with hindsight telling us that every Biden doubter was 100% correct.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Low IQ Senna mid lost us the game 😭 I was crushing it with Naut.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

You’re only able to say that because you have a firm belief that your alternative scenario would have ended better. This isn’t a political problem, it’s a logic one. Should we have dropped the bomb on Japan? Do we actually know if 250,000 men would have died? What if actually 500,000 died instead? What if only 10,000? What if the surrendered before we made landfall

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

That’s what you’re asking me to argue against. Not whether or not it was the right decision to back Biden, but whether or not your hypothetical that never played out would have been better.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

tbh isn’t the entire conversation around whether not having a primary was acceptable?

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

I mean I don’t see how it could’ve gone any worse to have held a primary and given the Democratic nominee ample time to run a campaign, instead of what we got. What we got was a fucking mess, and an easily preventable one. Would the Democratic nominee in my scenario be GUARANTEED to beat Trump? No. Do I think someone with the full time to campaign, who has actually been tested in national politics by a primary, would’ve had a better shot? Absolutely.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Sort of. The better conversation is usually whether or not Biden should have stepped down way earlier to make time for a primary. Doing a primary instead of giving Harris the nomination isn’t as good simply because of time. There was zero time for a primary after the debate.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

I mean yeah man Biden never should’ve been in the damn debate to begin with, that’s what I’m saying!

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

My opinion is split into two positions. The one that I made the post about and essentially saying that even if he stepped down, there wouldn’t have been enough time. I mean we can say “let the chips fall where they lie” for a primary, but who even would have stepped up? There really were no Dems with enough charisma or experience to run. I mean maybe people within the admin would run? but again…that goes back to my first argument of a party fracture when you’re in control

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I mean look at MAGA right now. They have everything and they’ve all but fractured and yet suffer from the same myopic party politics. They have no future. Wait until midterms and see what the Dems do in regard to candidates stepping up to run.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

Well, MAGA, unlike the Democratic Party, is a 100% personality cult. The Democratic Party has a cult of the institution, which is its own issue, but MAGA is just Donald Trump’s personal cult. The Democratic Party is much less personalized than the current Republican one, and pushing Joe Biden out would not dissuade your average liberal, nor would they be turned off by a new candidate, whoever it may have been. I don’t think a 2024 Primary would’ve fractured the Democrats anymore than they are.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

The fracture runs deeper than MAGA though. There are legitimate battle lines being drawn for 2028 right now because they know they’ve lost 2026. They realize no one is getting an endorsement from him.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Again, what new candidate though? If he was in year 3, then sure…but he dropped out in July. Thats 3 months tops.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

Which is why some of the fault lies with the DNC as well, for encouraging him to run purely based off incumbency, rather than requesting him to drop out early in the campaign to make way for new candidates.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Incumbency is a massive boost to electoralism usually, but I don’t necessarily disagree 100% with you, but it’s risk assessment at that rate. If they ask him to step down and he says no…then what? If they do ask him to step down and he does(which he eventually did obviously), then what? It’s what Dems have been doing now because they can. It’s why people like Gavin Newsom, AOC, Jon Ossoff, and Fetterman are able to essentially say what they want to say.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

Yeah, Joe Biden ideally would have announced in 2023 that he was not running again. His party should’ve been putting pressure on him to decline a 2nd run in 2023, instead of jumping down my throat and calling me a Trump lover for being Biden-skeptical at that time.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Let’s not forget that the party and everyone else was ecstatic when Harris announced. She was massively popular at the start and Republicans were legitimately pissed. Trump was flailing on Twitter.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

Yeah I do remember that, I remember being one of the ecstatic people that we actually had a chance to not have Trump win again, now that he wasn’t running against the political equivalent of a scarecrow. Then Kamala Harris refused to distance herself from the brutally unpopular Biden admin in any way, ran on being Bush ‘04, promised a Republican in her cabinet, etc. We were excited for someone who might’ve met the moment, and then she refused to meet the moment, and lost.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

(and positioned a genocide as “self defense”, you can’t really call yourself progressive, or run for the party of self proclaimed progressives, after doing that lmfao)

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Anonymous #3 4w

I mean that’s just one of many examples of the octogenarian old guard’s refusal to listen to their current base about anything. These old fucks in charge of the party right now like Schumer and Pelosi have open contempt for the current base of the party because they want nothing more than to go back to 90s neoliberalism once this Trump shit is over with. They don’t realize that shit done changed. They don’t realize that Clintonite playbook is what opened the door for Trump in the first place.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

We never got to talk about the things that mattered to Americans. His biggest unpopularity driver was cost of living and inflation which isn’t even worth the conversation because the knowledge required for that is so vast. You were never going to get a progressive (at least in name) candidate so who else was there? Buttigieg? I mean I like him better than Harris because he actually seems to know the inner workings of bureaucracy but he was never going to win.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

That’s so real tbh, they’re so blinded by their institutionalism that they still think the “status quo” is possible, far too many people delude themselves into not recognizing how this highlighted every single flaw and crack in the American experiment, and they will just be exploited again. then again, it’s stuff like that why I say there’s a limit to how far dems will go in opposing fascism, but I know that’s a topic for another conversation.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

Though I can assume you’re probably not a fan of Buttigieg either. AOC was never going to run, she was still too green. Sanders is laughable at this point. Ossoff was also too green. Booker has the charisma of a 2x4.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 4w

I’ve also said that we need younger candidates. Newsom to me is the best “physical” candidate, but his political positioning is weird. He’s done a fantastic job at pushing back the Trump admin from California, but if you’re trying to position yourself for President, you actually need “something” that is your ethos. Sanders was class-populism, Biden was institutional empathy and restoration. I don’t know what Newsoms is…which is a bad thing.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 4w

To clarify, that’s the “looksmaxxing” opinion on Newsom. If I had to vote tomorrow and they were running, I’d be voting Ossoff.

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