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“Not coherent” means “I don’t have the conceptual bandwidth to understand it” lol
Anti-capitalism is not a coherent nor distinct ideology. If that’s what leftist is to you then have fun larping whatever it is you imagine yourself to be
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Anonymous 9w

Hitler wasn’t anti-capitalist?

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Anonymous 9w

His actions? 😭😭😭 didn’t he sell state owned businesses to private corporations?

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Anonymous 9w

Yes they did- https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1468-0289.2009.00473.x https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4983903_Against_the_Mainstream_Nazi_Privatization_in_1930s_Germany

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Anonymous 9w

So… America isn’t a capitalist country either?

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Anonymous 9w

…

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Anonymous 9w

Mind you, Keynes himself was a capitalist, but I digress😭

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Anonymous 9w

…as an act of stabilizing capitalism lol? He and his peers knew capitalism was inherently unstable, so they were all “oh yeah, the market will crash every so often, so you’ll have to do some socialism for a bit until it balances back out” (paraphrasing, obv). And so yes, economies like America or Nazi germany can (and often do) prioritize Laissez-faire economies while maintaining safeguards to prevent excessive market volatility. It doesn’t mean their endgoal changed from accumulation of capital

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The notion that Keynes was explicitly against the dismantling of capitalism isn’t even a contested point (https://ideas.repec.org/b/hup/pbooks/9780674057753.html) and Keynesian economics is widely considered to be a modified form of capitalism (https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/012615/what-difference-between-keynesian-and-neokeynesian-economics.asp) If you have literature that suggests otherwise you could share it because I haven’t read it

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Anonymous 9w

How? The accumulation of capital is still the goal, and it’s only reliant on state intervention to prevent its own collapse, and the state itself often knowingly facilitates the accumulation of capital (e.g. lobbying)

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Anonymous 9w

Yeah maybe in the early 1800s😭

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Anonymous 9w

But capital is the dominant force when you think about it - the state is intervening specifically to save capital It’s soft power that is engineered in the framework deliberately

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

The Nazis knew that if the state didn’t intervene, the private corporate owners would lose their capital… so they ensured they didn’t. The capital was goal.

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Anonymous 9w

The Nazis were trying very hard to balance their ethnonationalism with their economic framework (they’ve gotten much better with it today, and you can find Nazis doing business with Jewish rich dudes just fine today) so again, you have to remember, 1930s. Still, the intermingling of industry and government is a feature not a bug of capitalism, as capitalists suggest that the state’s job is to uphold capitalism, which it does by intervening when necessary to restabilize the market-

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 9w

-which it has done consistently since the 1900s in both America and Nazi germany

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Anonymous 9w

I’m not a Marxist, but it is - you said it yourself; it’s Keynesian, who we established was someone that the capitalists consulted to refine their economy, and he did

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Anonymous 9w

How was it dismantled when it worked to maintain capital?

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Anonymous 9w

The government interest… to do what?

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