Anonymous #1 3w

Virginia was one of the only states that WASN’T gerrymandered. And don’t give me that Dems don’t gerrymander bullshit. Look at this map above and tell me that you truly think that’s a fair map

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Anonymous OP 3w

yea I don't know illinois population well enough to give you a fair examination of it tbh

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Anonymous OP 3w

also ya virginia being gerrymandered was dems played republican games, I kinda addressed that

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Anonymous #1 3w

Except it’s not just republican games. Illinois is a democratic state

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Anonymous #3 3w

Popular vote for President st least please

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Anonymous #4 3w

You do realize we’d still have president Trump right now?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I don't think you're understanding what I am saying, but that is ok. continue arguing

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All I’m asking for is you to admit that Democrats benefit from gerrymandering and they always have. I’m sure that Illinois would have found a way to keep this map in place even if gerrymandering was banned

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Anonymous OP 3w

when did I ever say they didn't benefit? I said states are gerrymandered so yea ofc they benefit. it goes both ways? do you need me to very blatantly say something else because you don't understand what I am saying?

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Anonymous #1 3w

So then stop acting so innocent

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Anonymous OP 3w

like you first asked if it was gerrymandered and I said "every state is" and now you're asking a new question so what other questions should I answer in simple terms

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Anonymous OP 3w

when tf did I act innocent? me saying that games are played by both sides and suddenly it's now only wrong when dems do it bc this convo is only being brought up bc of virginia?

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Anonymous #1 3w

How could it be guaranteed that a gerrymandering ban would actually be adhered to by blue states? Because tbh I just see it as a power grab where red states would be forced to draw fair maps while blue states would just keep doing their thing

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Anonymous OP 3w

Yeah and? 1. We wouldn’t have him in 2016 2. We wouldn’t have similar in the future 3. Presidents would care to visit actual cities instead of visiting just Wisconsin and Arizona and Ohio

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Anonymous OP 3w

like it's always been wrong for both sides, but no one gave a shit when republicans did it. Virginia gets gerrymandered after they voted for it and holy shit holy shit holy shit holy shit

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Anonymous OP 3w

… because the law would apply to all 50 states in the law

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Anonymous #4 3w

They’re already disregarding the laws they put into place

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Anonymous OP 3w

blue states "doing their thing" is now copying red states by gerrymandering

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Anonymous OP 3w

literally what political party doesn't ignore laws

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Anonymous OP 3w

It wasn’t disregarded, they literally had a vote to temporarily amend the law until 2030 It’s trump who consistently disregards the law. See: illegal tariffs, Jan 6th, his ban on birthright citizenship, etc .

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Anonymous #1 3w

Idk bruh. I’m done. Goodnight ✌️

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Anonymous #4 3w

But yes a 50 state ban of gerrymandering would be amazing and would largely stop this issue. Since it’s at the federal level states could be sued for breaking the law at the Supreme Court level

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Anonymous OP 3w

yea it's kinda all a mess. I genuinely do understand your frustration!!!

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Anonymous OP 3w

Democrats benefit from gerrymandering in certain states, but nationwide gerrymandering disproportionately benefits Republicans. This is why republicans have blocked federal efforts to ban partisan gerrymandering: it would broadly help democrats nationwide

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Anonymous #3 3w

ranked choice voting specifically

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Anonymous OP 3w

This stuff is enforced by courts dude. We already have court precedent where if gerrymandering eliminates minority representation it is illegal. Of course the Supreme Court is currently trying to gut that so that southern states can gerrymander black districts out of existence…

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Anonymous OP 3w

not if we had ranked choice, he won a plurality of the popular vote, not a majority. Most elections are actually decided via a plurality in this country, rather than a true majority.

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Anonymous #5 3w

Well Democrats try to gerrymander all republicans out of existence, regardless of race. So I say keep it going!!!

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Anonymous OP 3w

so you don’t actually give a fuck about gerrymandering, you only care if democrats are doing it?

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Anonymous #6 3w

You’re the other way around. Lord knows if gerrymandering benefitted Dems nationwide, there’s no way you’d support banning it. Do you support voter ID laws?

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Anonymous #5 3w

And if a state ignores Supreme Court then Trump can send troops And if Trump chooses not to, he doesn’t have to, but he does have to try to enforce it, if he doesn’t do it enough, it’s up to congress to impeach or pressure. And if they don’t , it probably will not happen until public pressure (elections, civil resistance, military resistance) forced them to. Even brown v board got enforced federally so

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Anonymous OP 3w

I’d be for a 100% ban of gerrymandering nationwide 👍👍👍

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Anonymous OP 3w

only if said voter ID laws are accompanied with a widespread program to ensure that every eligible citizen receives an eligible id at no cost and no additional effort on their end, including unhoused people if you want to enact a law that can possibly disenfranchise voters, it’s on you to ensure it doesn’t result in that.

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Anonymous #4 3w

You’d still support a ban on gerrymandering even if it hurt Dems? You’re full of shit

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Anonymous OP 3w

like I said though, if you have an issue with Dems gerrymandering, as you should, you should take an issue with Texas and other rep states also gerrymandering (which id argue was even worse, at least some dem states put it up for a vote that could’ve been declined)

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Anonymous OP 3w

… yes. Hence why states that didn’t gerrymander (Cali and Virginia) setup independent redistricting processes, until Texas FAFO

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Anonymous #4 3w

Look up the “for the people act” it was unanimously supported by democrats but filibustered by republicans lmfao

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Anonymous #4 3w

Cali was already gerrymandered bro. The only reason that only two Dem states could gerrymander is because most are already gerrymandered to the max

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Anonymous OP 3w

see how you’re still fixated on dem states but refuse to address how republicans also engage in this? how about we ask you the same question you’ve been asking: would you support a ban on gerrymandering if it results in an impact to the Republican Party?

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Anonymous #6 3w

oh nothing to say all of a sudden?

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Anonymous OP 3w

You do know there’s groups that actually look at how gerrymandered different states are. The highest rates are in the Republican south. There’s some gerrymandered democratic states, but dem strongholds like New England tend not to be very gerrymandered.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Sorry dude I was distracted. In another thread I was told that I’m lying about being a rape victim. But yes, I would support a ban on gerrymandering. I was heavily critical of Texas when they implemented their new maps Shockingly, I’m actually a decent and fair person

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Anonymous #5 3w

These groups are biased. Maryland being green is laughable

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Anonymous #5 3w

And how the fuck is North Dakota gerrymandered? It’s one district

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Anonymous OP 3w

Ok, I also want gerrymandering to be banned. But unfortunately I don’t see any way for that to happen that does not involve significant democrat gerrymandering. Because gerrymandering tends to benefit republicans, if democrats don’t also do it, then republicans will have no desire to ban it and will maintain a disproportionate legislative majority.

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Anonymous OP 3w

Oh jesus, I def understand that taking your focus because who the actual fuck claims someone lies about something like that? some sociopath shit right there, but I appreciate you and agree! Idgaf who benefits, we need an overhaul in our electoral system (fuck the electoral college tbh)

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Anonymous OP 3w

It’s the state senate and house. Weirdly enough the bad grade is actually because the districting gives democrats more of an advantage than it should. Not really sure why but that’s what the explanation says.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Well thank you for offering me some civility in all this craziness. In all honesty, I hate the way our discourse is going. I personally support the EC because I feel it gives small states a voice. But tbh I can see why some democrats are not fans of the system

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Anonymous OP 3w

It’s my absolute pleasure and I agree, convos on here tend to escalate first it seems (which I’m absolutely guilty of contributing to, and I need to work on myself) based on perceived “loyalties” or something yk?

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Anonymous OP 3w

I can absolutely see why ppl would support the EC, and tbh my view towards it is primarily for the presidential election, but admittedly only really applies if we were to succeed in implementing pure ranked choice voting for presidential elections, and rid ourselves of two party limitation It’s a hope of mine haha but I don’t see it happening anytime soon

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Anonymous #5 3w

And what’s the reasoning for Maryland? I’m not even trying to be argumentative anymore. I’m genuinely curious

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Anonymous OP 3w

also, needless to say, but fuck that other person who said that egregious shit to you, im sorry you had to deal with that :(

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Anonymous #6 3w

My biggest issue that I have with people who are left of center is not actually their views, but their attitude and ego. They write off conservatives and small town people as stupid, backwoods, inbred etc. Coastal elites think they’re so much better than everyone else. And I say that as a coastal elite lol. I hate to sound like a talk show host here, but I really feel if we put down the fucking weapons and actually talked to each other, we’d get a lot more done 🤝

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Anonymous OP 3w

They provide a breakdown for each state. Maryland has an A for congressional districts (no partisan advantage), and Cs for the state house and senate (slight Republican advantage for each and very uncompetitive).

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Anonymous #5 3w

They rate based on partisan fairness and incumbent advantage, competitiveness, and geographical compactness.

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Anonymous OP 3w

I am a socialist from the upper south (southeastern Virginia) and I think it’s a travesty how classist many people who are supposedly class-conscious are. They embrace stereotyping and prejudice as long as it is against the south or rural regions. They ignore the systematic inequality that has led to the South’s struggles.

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Anonymous OP 3w

yk what I 100% agree hands down, one of the biggest failures many of us leftists have, and something that I’m still trying to deconstruct myself, is this sense of classism that we incidentally built up along the way, and it’s honestly ironic given how centered intersectionality is within leftist circles

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Anonymous OP 3w

I do think some of it is partly manufactured, especially after previous attempts to blend that gap resulted in, well essentially being classified as domestic terrorists lol, but it’s one major flaw that prevents a lot of true organization imo to branch off your point, if we all were able to recognize in the moment how these types of “micro divisions” (for lack of a better term) is a major factor holding us down, then who knows what we’d be able to achieve?

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Anonymous #6 3w

then on top of all of that, we have the increased division caused by our devices partially (or entirely) isolating us from our social circles and communities too :/

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Anonymous #5 3w

See, with all due respect, how can one say that Maryland’s congressional maps are fair? The state maps I know nothing about, but I actually don’t find that surprising being that Hogan was republican and they actually have a republican majority court

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Anonymous #6 3w

I have noticed the same thing on my side, but opposite. I’m gay and I often feel that there is not a place for me in the party, even when I agree with their general values. Conservatives brush off any attempt of courting a diverse background of voters as DEI. They ignore that many POC come from socially conservative households and many LGBTQ folks (myself included) are big 2A supporters

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Anonymous OP 3w

I mean I’m not an expert but it seems pretty fair to me? The western district is competitive and the eastern shore district is republican. The districts overall are pretty geographically compact. If they really wanted to gerrymander it both of those would be gone.

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Anonymous #6 3w

Both sides are so rooted in identity politics and the belief that their parties have to look a certain way that the thought of even attempting to reach out to people who look or think differently than them is laughable

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Anonymous #5 3w

The 6th district is competitive, but it’s not swing. Think of it like Minnesota. Republicans always get close, but never win. So they stop trying. In a fair map, it would be a true swing district

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Anonymous OP 3w

I think their methods are based on the party alignment of the state as a whole and whether that is proportionally reflected in the split between districts, not that every district has to be engineered to be exactly 50/50

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Anonymous #5 3w

Apparently the 6th district is actually more competitive now than it was before the 2022 redistricting.

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Anonymous OP 3w

And after all this I just saw on X that a VA county judge has ruled the amendment unconstitutional, the AG is going to appeal to the state Supreme Court, and the current maps will stay in place for now Never a dull moment 😭

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Anonymous #5 3w

No, I know. I’m just pointing out that just because a district may be close numbers wise doesn’t mean it’s truly competitive or winnable

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Anonymous OP 3w

I feel like with a split of only 25,000 voters last election it can definitely be swung. It’s narrow enough that I think it’s at least plausible.

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Anonymous #5 3w

Btw if you want to look more into this stuff and the methodology, the page I’m getting from is this https://gerrymander.princeton.edu/redistricting-report-card/

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Anonymous #5 3w

Thanks. I just might do that 🤝

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