Anonymous #2 1d

And there’s astronauts who are young earth creationists. Someone being smart doesn’t mean they’re correct on everything

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Anonymous #3 1d

Additionally, I think it must be noted that both Galileo and Newton lived in eras where there was much less available information as to the true nature of the universe.

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Anonymous #1 1d

In principle, yes. But faith itself as a method of understanding the universe is an inherently un-scientific concept. It requires cognitive dissonance

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Anonymous #2 1d

So what? That doesn’t make their fairy tale real lol

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Anonymous #4 1d

reddit atheists were never wrong tbh

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Anonymous #5 1d

My point is that religious people have made drastic advancements to science. How do you know whether or not it’s real or fake?

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Anonymous #3 1d

That is correct no one is correct on everything. Which is odd to me that people will ultimately say that there is no god without a basis of any actual proof. Regardless, the fathers of these scientific branches we still use their methods today

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Anonymous #3 1d

Early anatomist paid grave robbers for fresh corpses for his classes. But still again everything we used today is because of them

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Anonymous #2 1d

I don’t believe in a god in the same way you don’t believe in gnomes. There’s no evidence to indicate they exist. Instead, the evidence indicates they’re likely a product of human culture.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Without evidence of something existing or not I do not outright think it doesn’t exist or does exist. I put in the thought of a possibility. I believe deeming something doesn’t exist simply because there is a lack or not evidence is pure ignorance. Plenty of things people said didn’t exist actually do or did. There isn’t evidence to dictates that it was just a product of human culture.

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Anonymous #2 1d

Would you see that as a reason to treat the claim of gnomes seriously? Any supernatural claim can be made on the basis of “well you can’t prove it isn’t real”

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Anonymous #2 1d

I mean. With the Christian God at least we can very reliably track its religious development from Canaanite polytheism into early Judean monolatric Yahwism, then Judaism, then Christianity. We can view the religion change over time and be directly influenced by neighboring cultures. That makes sense for a cultural phenomenon, not for a real deity. And we can reliably disprove the historical claims specific to the Christian God.

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Anonymous OP 1d

They’re just annoying af

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Anonymous #2 1d

Because they have yet to prove it. And it’s illogical to believe in something without proof lol. I’m not going to blindly assume everyone is right whenever they tell me they believe in Santa

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Anonymous #5 1d

If it's illogical to believe something without proof yet you believe it's a fairy tale without proof. That seems a bit hypocritical. I put it in the realm of possibility, rather put right well it just doesn't exist. Saint Nicholas was a real person and did give out gifts but it’s not like the Christmas Santa with a red suit.

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Anonymous #3 1d

I don’t treat it seriously, I would think it would be a fun possibility. Can you prove without a shadow is a doubt that it isn’t real?

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Anonymous #2 1d

You can’t prove any magical claim without a shadow of a doubt. There will always be some tiny gap. That doesn’t mean I should treat gnomes like a serious proposition.

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Anonymous #3 1d

Well of course we can track back to certain cultures. But there are also newer finds, there be finds of religious artifacts during the Neolithic era and beyond. You are right about that, but Islam, Christianity, and Judaism pretty much worship the same god but different beliefs. I personally won’t dictate if any religion nor if there is or isn’t a god without evidence.

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Anonymous #3 1d

I know I can’t, that’s why I stated that I put in the realm of possibility until there is evidence to show whether or something does or doesn’t exist. I refuse to be like the people in the past that automatically say something is true or not without evidence. That’s up to you to decide that. There’s plenty of parts of the earth that people have not reached.

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Anonymous #2 1d

I lack a belief that’s not a positive claim,It is a fairy tale, it’s a story that features magical or supernatural elements, imaginary creatures (such as witches, fairies, goblins, or talking animals) etc. All of which the bible has. If you have proof your God exists, present it. Otherwise it’s a delusion that you expect people to take that claim seriously

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Anonymous #2 21h

This is referred to as “proving a negative.” It is extremely hard to do. If we treated every belief as plausible unless we proved without a shadow of a doubt that it’s untrue, you would have to believe every whack job claim. I claim there’s an invisible unicorn that lives around Saturn. You can never ever disprove that.

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Anonymous #3 21h

You can never ever prove without a shadow of a doubt that my invisible unicorn doesn’t exist. There will always be a part of Saturn’s orbit you haven’t checked. And it’s invisible anyways. Maybe our instruments can never see it. See how that’s ridiculous? The burden of proof is always on the people making a claim. Because otherwise we have to believe everything

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Anonymous #6 20h

Okay. I just invented the concept of super double ultra hell, which you can only avoid by being my unicorn religion. Now the wager favors my faith.

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Anonymous #6 19h

This only works if 1 religion exists. That is not the case lmfao

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Anonymous #5 18h

So again you are contradicting yourself. You’re making the claim it’s a fairy tale without evidence. I never stated that I’m a religious person, so I’m not sure why you assumed I am. “Show proof that your God exists otherwise it’s delusional..” so you’re just a walking contradiction aren’t you?

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Anonymous #3 18h

So your logic is that people should claim it doesn’t exist without any evidence it back it up? Thats a petty dangerous slope to say, since plenty of people said in the past that became scientific discoveries. Also, you’re contradicting yourself by saying believe that there isn’t a god without any evidence to back up your claim. You made a claim and yet to show any evidence.

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Anonymous #2 18h

Do you have proof of God, yes or no?

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Anonymous #2 17h

I think we should be critical and not arbitrarily believe completely unevidenced claims. You dont believe in gnomes, I assume. Because there’s no evidence they exist and logic about the natural world indicates they probably don’t. That’s the same way I don’t believe in God.

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Anonymous #3 17h

Does this mean I can accuse anyone else of being a gnome denialist because they can’t prove gnomes aren’t real?

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Anonymous #5 17h

No, but do you have proof there isn’t one, yes or no?

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Anonymous #2 16h

Logical flaw to tel someone to prove a negative. Until it’s proven, I’m completely validated in saying it’s a fairy tale because it exhibits all the signs of one.

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Anonymous #3 16h

Show me where I stated you should believe it, I clearly stated it could be a possibility. People believed giant squids were a fairytale and just made up folklore. Yet, we found them. It appears that you clearly lack understanding of my point. Simply the lack of evidence doesn’t dictate whether or not something does or doesn’t exist. If everyone applied that logic then nothing would be found nor be created.

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Anonymous #3 16h

Could the folklore around gnomes be a misrepresentation of something else or actual truth I’m not sure.

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Anonymous #2 16h

Do you personally believe in the christian God?

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Anonymous #5 16h

Yet you're asking the same of me? No youre not completely validated. Your whole argument is full of contradictions. Making the claim that it's illogical to believe something without proof, yet you believe there isn't something without evidence. Again a lack of evidence doesn't dictate whether or not something does or doesn't exist. Example of this for years people believed that the giant squid was just folklore, just a mere fairytale then we found them deep in the ocean.

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Anonymous #5 16h

I’m pretty sure I said somewhere that I’m not religious

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Anonymous #3 16h

Or you can recognize that it’s possible people can still believe in a higher being and still grasp, trust and utilize the principles of science. It’s not that deep as you’re making it to be lmao. Many prominent scientists throughout history had deeply religious beliefs

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Anonymous #1 15h

There are lots of books and movies (contact, blindsight, calculating god…etc.) that get into this topic, 1 definitely isn’t wrong that people do exist like this. I just think it’s worth mentioning that you can’t simultaneously accept standard Christian reasoning and science, you gotta go to the extremes for it to make sense. For example if you believe in carbon dating then you should understand that the earth is older than many Christians would claim it to be. But if you’re a Christian who says

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Anonymous #1 15h

Their whole argument is full of contradiction. My comment gives the names of religious people who are the fathers of certain scientific fields which got downvoted. It truly shows these people lack any understanding.

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Anonymous #8 15h

“I disagree with the church on the obviously scientifically dubious claims (creation in 7 days type stuff) but think that god could be behind the science we don’t understand” then I think that’s totally valid. Scientists don’t know what kicked off the Big Bang, it’s not crazy to imagine it could’ve been some higher power

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Anonymous #7 15h

Well that’s sorta the whole reason they call it a wager and not a fact lmao

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Anonymous #2 13h

So then you think it’s reasonable to believe in literally any supernatural claim or cryptid because you can’t disprove it?

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Anonymous #6 13h

Ironically this reminded me of Gregor Mendel who was both a scientist (credited as the father of evolution) and an Augustinian friar. Fundamentalists are the ones who kinda just plainly suck. Nothing wrong with a simple “science is real and God has a hand in it.”

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Anonymous #2 13h

It’s not telling you to prove a negative. I’m contesting the claim a God exists, I’m contesting a positive claim

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Anonymous #6 12h

I mean, I’m dating a man so I’m going to hell either way if the Christians are right- so why would I care?

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