Anonymous #1 2w

On the countries and groups you don’t like.

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Anonymous #1 2w

What do you think the entire goal of communism is. It’s about demolishing the existing systems of oppressions, demolishing the hierarchies; you’re blaming us communists who want *exactly what you’re saying* for the actions of *authoritarians* of long past. Like you might as well just go down the route of “communism is bad because the nazis called themselves socialists” route if you’re going to be this disingenuous. We’re literally fighting for the same exact, I guess

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Anonymous OP 2w

You just can’t stand the term I use to describe it.

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Anonymous #2 2w

Did you want some help moving that rock you’ve been living under?

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Anonymous OP 2w

That’s your problem, you use terms instead of just arguing for a social change. If I’m not on your side, you don’t want me, if I don’t support your opinion, you hate me. That’s why I’m not a communist anymore because I grew up and realized it’s the same bullshit in a different coat.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Jesus Christ, all of a sudden you were a communist now? Dude get your story straight, were you an ex communist that seemingly left due to infighting, or do you hate communism because of the USSR? Literally what are you fighting for? Do you just want to shit on “communists” because you’re having a bad day? You’re making up so many fake issues to argue with, I can’t wrap my head around it. I’m not the big scary boogeyman “commie” you’ve been imagining, I’m just a fellow worker who wants the

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Anonymous OP 2w

When will you realize your cause died years ago? You argue for dead men that couldn’t get shit right because humanity cannot comprehend the idea of a classless society? I hate communism because it failed in the worst way possible, the promise of a better world was destroyed by themselves and the world around them. Thousands died in the Cold War both under communism and against it, when will people realize that all we want is a world where everyone can have food and a right to live?

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Anonymous OP 2w

A consistently-known definition for that word due to the impact of sheer propaganda over the years. Hence why if you ask two strangers on the street “how do you define communism”, they’ll both have a unique answer. So genuinely, what is your problem if it’s not a dogmatic hatred that was drilled into you for just the phrase “communism”

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Anonymous #1 2w

Holy fuck how arrogant can you be. THE USSR IS NOT THE ONLY REPRESENTATION OF COMMUNISM, NOR IS IT THE MOST ACCURATE; you arrogant imbecile. You *need* to see communism as authoritarian to support your biased beliefs, hence why you ignore everything that suggests otherwise. I can’t imagine what it’s like with such a limited, and hateful, world view.

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Anonymous #1 2w

And if you really want to go there, millions died under capitalism during both world wars, and the only nuclear weapon used against another nation; but hey keep screaming about that big scary communist🤭

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Anonymous OP 2w

My God have you listened to anything I have said without immediately clutching to your identity till your knuckles turn ice white? You will never change the world because the world you want is so hyper specific to a point of ludicrous fantasy, only being possible if everyone agrees with your view of life. The world should uphold human life above all else, money, politics, ideology, otherwise. The thing stopping us from reaching any level of consensus are ideologies that are so stuck up

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Anonymous OP 2w

And so the communist preaches world peace by advocating for war. You are a hypocrite and I hope you grow up one day and pull your head out of Marx’s ass and think for yourself.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Have you considered that you’re part of that problem? Communism, at the end of the day, doesn’t fucking matter. All it is is just a way to describe the end of capitalism, you utter dumbass. It’s describing a theorized aftermath, a hopeful aftermath; as a post capitalist world could become either much more equitable or far more oppressive. You’re so caught up on semantics and your own self-described identity politics that you can’t even see the bigger picture being discussed.

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Anonymous OP 2w

None of us give a fuck what the name is of what comes after capitalism, we care about how that world looks; and the only term we have to describe that currently is communism (especially in the equitable sense we hope for); but you’ve been so conditioned by capitalist dogma and American interest that you can’t even put your arrogance aside for a moment to acknowledge that. Keep defending whatever you’re defending lol.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Where’d I advocate for war silly. You’re the one trying to call out the “deaths of communism during the Cold War” while ignoring the two world wars that capitalism caused right beforehand🤭 silly goose, tricks are for kids ;)

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Anonymous OP 2w

Keep whining you fucking idiot, I’ve told you my opinions and given you my proof. If you can’t get that through your thick self absorbed skull then dont argue. This is why no one likes communists and their cause, you wonder why socialism is more popular because they live in the real world and don’t preach this stupid bullshit. Fuck off and stay away unless you’re ready to have a real conversation that isn’t crying about how right you are and how wrong I am.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Communists killed people in the second and First World War dumbass

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Anonymous #1 2w

Also Marx and ENGELS, among countless other authors. you keep claiming to know about communism but daddy Marx didn’t do all the heavy lifting; he took a lot of the credit from Engels;

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Anonymous #1 2w

1917? October revolution, Russian civil war? Guess you just forgot that shit.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Yeah no shit, just like capitalists did (because the entire world was at war you dumb fuck); the question was who was at fault, since you were so quick to blame the Cold War on communism (which is still debatable given the US’s open intention to destabilize the USSR), I figured the first two world wars should go to capitalism given the context of their beginnings. Or, are you ready to grow the fuck up and admit that history is a bit too nuanced to make those types of silly blanket statements?

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Anonymous OP 2w

So let me get this straight…Communist were part of these wars that were perpetrated by Capitalist and Communists?! That’s news to me, not like I already knew that. Dumbass

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Anonymous #1 2w

Your “proof”, what a joke. Your arrogance isn’t proof, and guess what you dumb fuck: socialism is the transitional phase to communism as Marx and Engels described. So obviously it’s more favorable, it’s fucking necessary as we’re still capitalist. Next time, open and read a fucking book on the topic you intend to discuss before opening your arrogant blabbering mouth.

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Anonymous OP 2w

lol, just say you hate the truth. You hate the historical narrative because it not only makes capitalists look bad but communists too. Tell me about the ethnic cleanings in Eastern Europe or the massacre of the Buddhists in China (which is a communists country ran by a communists party). Because if all you’re gonna do is point to the crimes of capitalism and the system you need to explain your crimes as well.

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Anonymous #1 2w

I doubt you know much, so forgive me for explaining everything to you slowly. I’d still love to you know where I preached for peace by advocating for war, or are you able to admit that you’re just dead set on disparaging communism (for no reason), so you had to just deflect by any means necessary?

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Anonymous OP 2w

No reason, that’s actually laughable. Why don’t you like capitalism? Answer that without saying anything about communism, just give me your personal critique. I promise I wont use it, I just really want to know if we agree or not.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Oh my god, china is communist because they have communist in the name? Are you kidding? Now I’m genuinely curious. What were the Nazis? The national socialist workers party of Germany? We all know the correct answer, but someone here seems to be incapable of reading between the lines and seemingly believes that “if it’s in the name, it must be true”. So tell me, what do you think the German Nazi party was?

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Anonymous #1 2w

So you’ve just been defending capitalism this whole time. As I thought, you just *needed* to disparage communism to reaffirm your beliefs.

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Anonymous OP 2w

That’s a fair point, but I think the Nazi’s were more Fascists than socialists.

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Anonymous OP 2w

Please just answer the question.

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Anonymous #1 2w

No, they WERE indeed far-right fascists with no ties to socialism; historians have long since confirmed that the Nazi party strategically used that word in their name to appease to the working class German population during their uprising, all the while never implementing any actual socialist policies or reform, in fact they went a state capitalist route if I remember correctly nationalizing certain industries. China is not an example of communism, I’d argue it’s similar to how Germany

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Anonymous OP 2w

Ok, lets take a step back, I swear on this I really do mean it pinky promise I swear, just answer me this without talking about communism, Why don’t you like capitalism?

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Anonymous OP 2w

Consolidated power under the rise of the Nazi party. Use leftist and pro-worker messaging to diminish the likelihood of uprising, meanwhile consolidate power and wealth to the elite class/governing class. Then again there are some who disagree with me, but for reference I do not agree with china’s policies at all. And they’re not deconstruction oppressive hierarchies at all so like

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Anonymous #1 2w

Okay. I don’t like capitalism because it allows for individuals or families to inevitably have influence or control over entire nations. Capitalism is a nepotism or favoritism game imo, you can’t “work your way up” no matter how hard you try, unless you get lucky or make some really good connections. Capitalism, imo, incentivizes destructive behavior. It incentivizes maximizing short term gains even at the expense of long term considerations: take climate change for example, companies are

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Anonymous OP 2w

Incentivized to maximize quarterly profits year over year, even though for more consumption based companies (that rely on a product being consumed and created) this means exasperating the rate of climate change which not only puts long term profit at risk, but the feasibility of long term habitability of the planet. Take healthcare for example: pharma companies are also incentivized by profit (unless heavily regulated or nationalized, which is stigmatized as “socialism”), so that pushes a

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Anonymous OP 2w

Culture of “pills over cures”, as repeated medications = repeated payments vs a one time payment for a cure; I can keep going on but it’s essentially an issue with the excessive individualism that’s fostered under capitalism. We’re all grown as if we’re an individual and ONLY an individual, and that the greater good and our community is meaningless and not worth sacrifices to our individual goals, when something the greater good or communal need is far more important.

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Anonymous OP 2w

TLDR: I believe capitalism destroys the very essence of our communal species. It’s forcing us into a bleak and isolated world in which we’re parasites on the planet we inhabit, when it doesn’t have to be like that.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I’m gonna start off by saying I’m sorry. I believe we would agree on a lot of things, ever since feudalism, really ever since man created a hierarchy, things have been terrible. We have been through countless wars, some petty, some arguably justifiable but nevertheless petty. We have been close to an awakening, a revolution here and there an enlightenment, but it typically becomes all for not. I think you would probably agree if I said liberalist democracy has failed, following the events of..

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Anonymous #1 2w

WW1 and the peace that came afterward which was lackluster because although the Liberal principals of individual freedom were achieved to some aspect, the cries for a pound of flesh far exceeded the cries for forgiveness. Then we saw the Bolshevik revolution which criticized the very nature of feudalism and the greater capitalism. The world was mostly controlled by empires, and I do not doubt that the fear in the hearts of those empires skyrocketed when they saw what happened in Russia…

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Anonymous #1 2w

This actually transfers over into some of the fears of immigration as well as the first red scare which occurred after. The period after ww1 is best described as lost, here it is where the biggest mistake was made. Instead of intervening against the Fascists or trying to rebuild Germany before Hitler could make his argument. The liberal democracies/ empires did nothing and allowed it to stew into the fire that became the Second World War. I’ll remind you, Stalin, who was a dictator, convened…

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Anonymous #1 2w

With Hitler to split Poland, now was this a communist thing to do..No. The ideology itself believed it would spread naturally, Marx and Engles make good note of that. But after ww2, the powers did learn somewhat and punish those responsible for the war, not the country itself. But Russia didnt back down, and much like the liberals of the previous century, continued to cry for their pound of flesh…

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Anonymous #1 2w

What I’m getting at here is not so much anti-communism, it’s more about how the systems we have tried have all failed and succeeded in some way. I feel like if perhaps a new ideology was made, that focused less about economy, and more about humanism and the idea that human life should be held above all else, would be more successful. That’s how I feel.

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Anonymous #1 2w

I appreciate you, and I’m sorry too. I was getting quite heated during our argument and should’ve retracted a few times to cool down rather than escalate. I think I see what you mean though, especially about how rather than spreading naturally, Stalin joined hitters attempted to split Poland and forcibly spread. I also see what you mean regarding ideologies and identities, maybe the mere attachment to them itself can invoke that bloody tribalism that’s fostered within our work for the past few

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Anonymous OP 2w

Millennia. You’re absolutely right about the USSR, its devolution into authoritarianism and cooperation with the Nazi regime is unforgivable; and honestly it’s without a doubt left a mark on the idea of communism overall regardless of the distinction between different branches of communist belief; but I like what you said about a new ideology being made that focuses less on economy and more on humanism, it definitely wouldn’t have any of the current “baggage” linked with “communism” or

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Anonymous OP 2w

“Socialism”. I’m sorry about how aggressive I was earlier, I should’ve kept my cool and my lashing out wasn’t okay

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Anonymous OP 2w

I really appreciate your apology and I accept it, I was also pretty heated lol. I completely understand where you were coming from and I’m glad you can see what my main point was. I think communism sets good goals, but a lot of the baggage can really weigh it down. Y’know I’ve actually been very interested in studying this more to try to either find a better ideology or maybe even create one. I think that’s what this generation needs, I really think we’ve been lost since the First World War.

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Anonymous #1 2w

In the book I mentioned: “Homelands”, Timothy Garton Ash details his experiences in Europe from after ww2 into the 2000s and the war in Ukraine. He is actually still active on Substack (It’s like a posting platform), he claims he is “European by choice” though a Britain by birth. He makes a good argument about how despite the great changes in Europe it still remains very divided on an individual level. I would recommend it for a good read as well as some thought. I’m still reading rn.

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Anonymous OP 2w

I don’t live under a rock. I’m just not plagued by the ideological haze you see the world through!

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Anonymous #2 2w

Pretty sure having a police force that can throw anybody away for any reason would note an authoritarian nature. The current president has also not delivered on multiple court orders to cease activities such as the deployment of national guard troops to different parts of the country. Sounds petty authoritarian when the leader doesn’t heed his own government.

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