Anonymous #1 5w

You’ve never seen real facism and it can tell when you think that this administration this doing anything closely remote to it, they wish they can’t both sides got too much power. This administration is doing exactly the same things that was common before 2020 enforcing the law and closing the border focusing on Americans and using force that’s how the us was literally 15 years ago both parties governing this way and things seem to have not be so bad

1

Anonymous OP 5w

Okay so the current administration campaigned on a mass deportation of a radicalized group which they blame for all the country’s ills. Their president said immigrants were bringing “bad genes” into the country. They attempted to revoke birthright citizenship and have begun arbitrary detaining people and deporting people without trial. They are currently attempting to deport a native-born US citizen in Maryland.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

So let me ask you this do you think we need deportations yes or no or should the us be allowed to be their own country or everyone’s country? And for the birthright citizenship is just crazy that this is the only country where if I hop the border and pop a baby I’m automatically a citizen don’t you see a flaud in that literally no other society does this no other country it’s literally just fraud and abuse

1

Anonymous #1 5w

Trump officials openly spoke of revoking habeas corpus and are attempting to deploy the military to patrol cities on manufactured claims of heightened crime because those cities are governed by their political opponents. Trump openly called for the execution of his political opponents for treason. They have declared “anti-fascism” to be terrorism, and have also decided that terrorists can be executed without trial even after they are no longer a threat.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

Trump has pardoned officials who attempted to overturn an election he lost in his favor. He has pardoned rioters who broke into the U.S. capitol with intent to murder politicians.

1

Anonymous OP 5w

The majority of countries in the Americas have unrestricted birthright citizenship. I don’t think you can speak with any authority on governmental systems if you believe the claim that “no other country” does that when it is literally the standard system in our hemisphere. Every country in dark blue has unrestricted birthright citizenship. You could go to Brazil or Mexico or Argentina or Cuba and pop out a baby and it’s a citizen.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

And the system does not make YOU a citizen if you have a child. It is that the baby is a citizen in the country it was born in. Know what you are talking about at least.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

Okay now go back to google and search this up okay can somebody who came to those countries illegally like literally just walked to the country no papers no id nothing and they pop a baby let’s see if that baby will get citizenship

1

Anonymous #1 5w

How about you know what you’re talking about when you’re just clearly incorrect

1

Anonymous OP 5w

That is quite literally what unrestricted birthright citizenship means. The light blue are the ones with restrictions. In 35 countries primarily in the Americas there is unconditional birthright citizenship.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Gambia, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Lesotho, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela.

1

Anonymous OP 5w

Like bro Trump claimed no other countries have it that’s why you are repeating that but Trump was just fully incorrect or lying as is often the case.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

So you’re telling me that because 35 countries which are a minority btw have this rule so should the United States go to Europe or anywhere out of the 170+ countries and tell me some type of restriction doesn’t exist and what bothers me is that okay sure let the baby be a citizen but guess what that does opens pathways to citizenships for the illegal that came and gave birth to the kid, or what’s better take the kids away from the family and let us take care of it. Do you see the issue with it

1

Anonymous OP 5w

That’s quite a run on sentence. So now we can agree that the USA is not in fact the only country that does that. Indicating that the conservative sources where you got that idea from were lying to you. I think my own opinions are less relevant here than the actual rhetoric, but if you’d like here goes: every country should have unrestricted birthright citizenship, because no one should be treated as foreign in the land where they were born.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

I can give you a few history bits to read up on. Firstly, “Polenaktion.” In 1938, the Nazi government arrested and deported Polish Jews living in Germany. This was the first mass movement of Jews conducted by the Nazi government. That government removed the citizenship of all Jews, and then attempted to force emigration and deportation of them. The Holocaust happened when Germany realized they couldn’t just deport all of them.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

And here is a quote from Hitler in response to the Evian conference, a conference by nations to consider whether they accept Jewish refugees being expelled from Germany. Calls for mass deportation of people of particular ethnicities has a history.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

Ohhh I see you’re one of them gotchu, anyways my sources are the fact that the country that I was born in and most counties for a fact do not live by this rule. Birthright citizenship assumes that a person born a land has the same rights as a person that has already been there for generations. Now my question is. Do you thinks that’s fair?

1

Anonymous OP 5w

I do think that is fair. People cannot control their ancestry. Who my parents are is something entirely out of my control. I did not make the accomplishments of my ancestors, nor am I responsible for what they did. They are not me so what they did or where they lived is irrelevant to myself. If me and someone else are both born in the same country, we should have the same rights. My ancestors having been here longer shouldn’t matter, because neither of us had anything to do with that.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

And my issue is not with the kids being born. I think we can both agree that the children is innocent in this case, but the issue is that the parents are illegals they should be sent back but with the child now being a citizen what should we do? Keep the kid away from their families or we just also give the kid back, but then that’s unacceptable because he is a us citizen now. So what’s the other choice find a way to reward the illegal. Do you see how this is a problem?

1

Anonymous OP 5w

My opinions on immigration are complex and shaped heavily by American history. I do not believe illegal immigration to be a moral failing in most cases. They’re people who want a better life. Having crossed an arbitrary line is not a great offense which harmed other people in most cases.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

My opinions on immigration are also complex because as a first gen immigrant myself, I don’t see the logic behind free illegal immigration. Migration should be control and secured and a country should have more then enough right to say okay that’s enough no more. And be a thing that’s okay

1

Anonymous #1 5w

My ancestors came to this country before illegal immigration even existed. It would not have been possible for them to immigrate any way but legally. They came for a better life. They fled famine in Ireland, religious persecution in England, and poverty in Germany. Back then, illegal immigration wasn’t a concept anyone had come up with because immigration was limited by how hard it was to afford it.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

In the United States, illegal immigration began existing in the 1870s. America had banned immigration from east Asia, based purely on racism. More immigration restrictions came in the 1920s, also based exclusively on a fear of new ethnicities entering the country. There were no regulations on immigration from Latin America until the 1950s (when Asian immigration also became legal again).

1

Anonymous #1 5w

So, my feelings are complex. In principle, I think anyone should be able to move to any country. But at this time, due to differences in wealth and power, that is not practical. Some countries are too poor and would hemorrhage too many people, and wealthy countries could not adequately provide social services to the flood of immigrants. Additionally, poor or marginalized locations would be gentrified.

1

Anonymous #1 5w

So I view some immigration restrictions in the United States to be necessary, but not based on a fear of “illegals.” There are ways to limit illegal immigration (such as under the Biden administration) which do not require raiding schools and daycares and brutalizing people like ICE is doing. ICE’s brutality is a choice. Additionally, republicans are actively turning legal immigrants into illegal ones by revoking temporary protected status and refugee protections.

1