Anonymous #1 8w

Well, it’s a humanitarian issue, not a political one. You wouldn’t ask a guy manning a free kitchen in Kalamazoo if he condemns Hamas because supporting or condemning Hamas hasn’t got to do with what he’s doing. We’re talking about keeping people alive, fed, etc.. The question of “should the Gazans be starved to death” is the biggest question of them all, and I’m not interested in asking any questions. If I know your answer then I have nothing more to ask you.

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Anonymous #1 8w

No. Hamas is based.

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Anonymous #1 8w

if israel didn't want people to stop caring about a small extremist group, then they shouldn't have advertised exactly why that group exists to the entire world by killing and starving thousands of women and children for almost two years now

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Anonymous #6 8w

Why do you think Israel exists? Because Jews were violently ethnically cleansed from Europe and the Arab countries

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Anonymous #7 8w

that doesn't give the IDF a freebie to commit genocide against another people after claiming a nation that wasn't theirs

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Anonymous #6 8w

Yeah and Hamas doesn’t have the right to rape, mutilate, burn, and mass murder hundreds of innocent civilians, take hostages, and then hide in tunnels under the Gazan civilians they were elected to rule. Nobody has the right to commit genocide. Hamas isn’t an exception

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Anonymous #7 8w

They don’t do any of that other than hiding in tunnels but the Hamas tunnels are a good thing actually

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Anonymous #4 8w

What do you mean? There’s overwhelming evidence for all of that. Have you not seen any of the photos and videos? First hand and witness testimonies? Forensic evidence? I thought you said Hamas is “based”. If they are then why lie about what they’ve done and continue to do?

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Anonymous #7 8w

Mizrahi Jewish people were only ethnically cleansed after the founding of Israel, as a direct response to the ethnic cleansing of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians. Doesn’t make it right, but still.

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Anonymous #10 8w

So what you’re saying is that the Middle East was so antisemitic that they blamed their Jews for the actions of the Zionists in Israel and became so violent towards them that Jews who lived across MENA for thousands of years had to flee back to the only place they were safe.

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Anonymous #9 8w

This is a very biased way to rephrase tit for tat. Israel’s claim to inherently represent all Jews in all it does has been nothing but harmful since the very start. It’s literally the goal of the Israeli government for the world to be more antisemitic because antisemitism in the basis on which Israel claims to not have to follow international law / generally not have to behave like a civilized, modern nation

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Anonymous #10 8w

Yes, claiming Israel inherently represents all Jews is antisemitic. I agree. I’m sure the Mizrahim who were ethnically cleansed for being Jewish (which you claim was a direct response to Israel’s actions) agreed as well, and thought it was pretty fucked up when their Arab neighbors started blaming them for the Nakba and bombings they had nothing to do with.

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Anonymous #10 8w

How is it a tit for tat? You sound like a nazi ngl

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Anonymous #9 8w

yes i agree and i’m sure they did. doesn’t change the fact that Israel = Judaism = all Jewish people has been the stance of the Israeli government since essentially forever, with disastrous affects on Jewish people in the diaspora because shockingly claiming your atrocities are actually done in the name of an entire ethnic group (which is ridiculous and untrue) causes hate

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Anonymous #7 8w

do you know what tit for tat is? Israel expelled nearly a million Palestinians for the purposes of creating a Jewish ethnostate. the arab states responded to this by expelling their Jewish populations.

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Anonymous #10 8w

that’s basically the epitome of tit for tat. obviously the arab states were antisemitic. saying something is tit for tat doesn’t justify it, it’s just describing the back and forth pattern.

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Anonymous #10 8w

That’s a very biased and simplistic way of describing the Nakba. Expulsions and massacres absolutely happened, but mostly people dipped when the war started and then weren’t allowed in. The Arab states expelling their Jews created a very convenient excuse for Israel to never let any displaced Palestinian back in - that the Arab states forced a population transfer in basically equal numbers.

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Anonymous #9 8w

Biased and simplistic? You said it was tit for tat you Nazi fuck. Justifying the ethnic cleansing of nearly 1 million middle eastern Jews after a war started by the Arab states. You’re as much of a genocide supporter as Netanyahu and his war cabinet

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Anonymous #7 8w

That wouldn’t change anything considering that Bibi & the war cabinet have said that they plan to continue once all the hostages are released & have backed out of ceasefire deals where Hamas has agreed to release all of the hostages & give up power. Bibi needs this continue to avoid his corruption trial anyways.

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Anonymous #9 8w

That’s not true Bill Clinton lied for Israel

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That’s not true. Hamas demands as far as the ceasefire deals seem pretty reasonable. Israel is the one that keeps backing out of things are trying to change the ceasefire last second to something that they know is a non starter. Also the reason outside of the U.S. demands are on Bibi is for the reasons I said earlier.

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Yeah Hamas said they would end things until aid & food is allowed into Gaza. Idk but that just doesn’t sound insane or unreasonable to me.

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There used to be over 300 humanity aid sites which Israel put a into for months instead they had the GHF which only had 4 sites & would shoot Palestinians when they get aid. They also have the Israeli backed Popular Forces which has been stealing food. While I agree a ceasefire is the best way far more aid was getting in & to people before as it should

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Anonymous OP 8w

I agree Hamas offering to relinquish power doesn’t matter as much if they refuse to disarm although they say they won’t disarm unless Israel will commit to a complete end to the occupation which Israel is against.

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I think Hamas demand are reasonable so idk what you would pressure them into hell one of the ceasefire deals that Biden put forth was nearly Identical to the early Hamas demands so outside of just giving up Gaza has territory to Israel idk. I think Israel has the power to end things but Hamas so I don’t see the point in both siding everything

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While I do agree about neither side trusting the other Idk what leverage you believe Israel would really lose in that situation.

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Not really they are saying they will give up power & disband if Israel will commit to a permanent ceasefire & end of the occupation which sounds reasonable to me. I mean is Hamas lied Israel could easily go back in so idk what they have to lose & they get all of the hostages back

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I'd argue that endless bombing Gaza & killing Palestinians in the West Bank & stealing their homes actually hurts Israel's security not helps it.

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Idk makes it sound like Israel only has two options either continue doing a genocide & getting rid of the Palestinians in the West Bank or stop those actions which you claim might hurt Israel is that what you're saying?

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Anonymous OP 8w

I mean Israel was still killing Palestinians in Gaza & the West Bank as well as building illegal settlements when Hamas wasn’t fighting with them so idk why you think Hamas stopping would somehow change that

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I think Israel could end the violence almost unilaterally. Take away any reason for people to resist. You think people in Gaza or the even the West Bank would go out of their way to support violence against Israel if they were subjected to death and harassment by the settlers, IDF , having their homes stolen to build illegal settlements etc

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Despite the fact that the illegal settlements & Israel predate Hamas but yes Hamas was somehow fighting Israel before they even existed my mistake. You’re right the settlers are actually fighting Hamas in the West Bank silly me

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So you’re saying that the people aren’t mad about having their land stolen & homes destroyed but are actually mad due to some ethnic nationalist religious stuff that predates anyone alive & that If Israel was to stop stealing land & end the apartheid & genocide that the Palestinians would for some reason be even more mad that they’re being treated much better or are you saying the Israelis would be mad that the Palestinians are being treated as people or is it both

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I mean Israelis are already treated as humans as they should of course although I wouldn’t say the same is true of Palestinians although you could argue Palestinians are slowly starting to be somewhat humanized in western media. Although I disagree with you on the root cause & would say ending the apartheid, genocide & giving Palestinians full autonomy, right to return & reparations would definitely make the vast majority of them happy & less resentful to Israel although I can’t say that would

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Anonymous OP 8w

Make Israelis happy.

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You didn’t give me any evidence. You just bought up Tisha B’Av. That’s not evidence. I think it’s wild to think Palestinians are more or even equally mad & upset about that considering the apartheid & genocide.

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But Palestinians aren’t saying their beef is about something that happened 2000 years ago. It’s ridiculous to act like that means more to people than living under genocide & apartheid. Also while I think it’s foolish to think that holds equal wait you won’t be able to find out if Israel refuses to end the apartheid & genocide

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Anonymous OP 8w

As for Hamas behavior in the negotiations idk what you mean by that considering that Israel refuses to agree to any permanent ceasefire & changes demands continuously. Like I said ceasefire plan that Biden put forth & claimed was Israel’s plan & that they agreed to was almost identical to the early Hamas ceasefire demands & Israel once all parties were on board changed the demands despite Biden literally claiming it was Israel’s plan

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They are nothing compared to the U.S. backed Israeli military & the vast majority of Hamas are just orphans who are angry that their homes have been destroyed & family killed. Which is the reason why Israel is struggling to get rid of Hamas because for thousands of innocent Palestinians they murdered there are hundreds who survive & don’t care about something from 2000 years ago but instead are angry that their whole family was killed & home destroyed & decide to take up arms & join Hamas as a

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Anonymous OP 8w

Way to fight back.

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Anonymous OP 8w

I always think of a interview I saw of a someone in Gaza talking about Israel and they said “I don’t hate Israel because they’re Jews I hate them because my whole life IDF soldiers would beat my family I remember them destroying my baby sisters crib. I hate them because they killed my family & destroyed my home & if an Arab did that to me I’d hate them too.” It’s been a few years since I saw the interview so I admittedly paraphrased a bit but you get what I’m saying.

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Anonymous OP 8w

Is this what being treated as human looks like to you?

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Gazans? I ironically only hear that term used by Zionist & Israel collaborators which I guess I shouldn’t surprised that you said that given your views. But as far as how Palestinians feel about Hamas I never said that they all love Hamas all I said is the reason despite Israel indiscriminately killing an insane amount of Palestinians within Gaza & even the West Bank they still haven’t destroyed Hamas.

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Anonymous #7 8w

Yes deliberate starvation is bad crazy how Israel created a man made famine in Gaza happy we can both agree.

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Anonymous OP 8w

You can see the terrorists arm in the photo

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Didn’t you earlier hit me with a well actually there’s Hamas presence in the West Bank? Also when did I say all Palestinians like Hamas? I wasn’t incorrect on why people join Hamas. If that was the case Hamas would be much easier to destroy since it would be impossible for them replenish their numbers.

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Anonymous #7 8w

Is your claim that this one picture disproves that Israel created a man made famine & that all the journalists & western doctors who have returned from on the ground are lying about Gaza & only the IDF can be trusted? The western doctors & humanitarian organizations are actually Hamas?

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I didn’t say that Palestine had to choose but as far as active combative resistance against Israel, Hamas their only choice if that’s how they want to resist although obviously not all Palestinians want to or even can resist through combat. Got it so you’re saying Israel destroying their homes & killing their families doesn’t cause resentment & desire to fight but instead it’s actually brainwashing of little kids so if the “brainwashing” ended but none of Israel’s actions did people would be

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Anonymous OP 8w

Less inclined to fight despite having their entire family killed & home destroyed because that’s not a believable motive for anyone to pick up arms but instead it’s brainwashing the youth?

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Thank you for stating things so simply. Here is my simple response. Israel is an apartheid state that’s currently committing a genocide & I don’t believe you can both sides an apartheid or genocide.

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Anonymous OP 8w

You’re literally just making up shit. Like do you want to have a conversation about it or are you just going to continue to straw man? You’re intentionally missing the point because you feel some the need to defend Hamas’ torture of civilians for some sick reason.

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Anonymous #7 8w

Is that your way of saying that there is a man made famine going on? Or are you saying that I’m making up that there was a man made famine sorry I’m not sure which one it is that you’re saying. As for starvation I already told you I think it’s bad & agreed with you that starvation is bad which is why I brought up the famine .

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Anonymous #7 8w

#10 said tit for tat, not me, they’re the Nazi fuck.

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Anonymous OP 8w

I guess Olmert is also lying when he talks about Abbas no showing the final round of negotiations that they had that would’ve resulted in a lot of land swaps and eventual statehood? Palestinians have been cursed since the 1930s with leaders who don’t know how to lead anything but a suicide bombing campaign, many such cases.

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Anonymous #9 8w

Sorry about that, I didn’t mean you!!!

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Anonymous #9 8w

I mean yeah Olmert & Bill Clinton were lying. Just because he now rightfully says that Israel is committing war crimes doesn’t change that. But I’m sorry you’re right the Palestinian bad leadership is the real reason Israel is forced to keep building illegal settlements they don’t want to but the Palestinians make them. Israel really wants to stop it but can’t due to bad Palestinian leadership.

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Anonymous OP 8w

Dunning Kruger Effect

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Anonymous OP 8w

Right, everyone is lying except the terrorists. 🙃

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Anonymous #9 8w

Israel is a terrorist country and yes let me guess everyone is Hamas & lying but the U.S. & the IDF 🙃

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Anonymous OP 8w

https://home.uncg.edu/~jwjones/islamicworld/readings/campdavidmyth.html

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Anonymous OP 8w

I know links suck on this app unfortunately so here’s a bit of what I posted said

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Anonymous OP 8w

Wait what do you mean “Olmert and Clinton were lying?” Why’d you group them together like that? Who do you think was at Camp David 🤣🤣

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Anonymous #9 8w

Correct me if I’m wrong but It was Bill Clinton, Barak, & Arafat at the camp David Summit. As for Olmert I thought he had made a comment back when he was the Mayor of Jerusalem agreeing with the claims of Barak & Clinton regarding the negotiations. Correct if I’m wrong on any of that. Also could you please educate me & tell what part the article from the link I posted was incorrect about Camp David

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Anonymous #9 8w

What were the terms of the deal

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Anonymous bongo_fury 7w

Idk Zionst for some reason just down voted my post about the terms of deal without explaining how it was incorrect or what the exact terms were despite me asking nicely for them educate me on why it’s incorrect & what is specifically wrong.

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