Anonymous #1 4w

No it’s just a double standard, you guys think murder is based as long as it’s your side.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Who is “you guys”😭 I made zero statement regarding my political views

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Anonymous #1 4w

Bc you implying the situations are meaningfully different when they aren’t is the current mainstream Republican perspective right now. Did you vote for Trump in 2024?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

No I did not, nor am I a Trump supporter. Sorry to burst your bubble

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Anonymous #1 4w

you’re giving that perspective that’s why I made the assumption you can clarify that’s fine.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Kirk’s death was an assassination by the objective definition of the word and Good’s death was a comedy of errors and incorrect decisions by both herself and Law Enforcement

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Anonymous #1 4w

I like ones an assassination and another is a “comedy of errors”. I just call them both murders I guess if you think one is funnier lmao.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

That has to be bait or you have never actually spoken to another person before

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Anonymous #1 4w

In case you're being for real, I said "Comedy of errors" in the sense that it was bewildering how many preventable mistakes were made by both parties.

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Anonymous #1 4w

No dipshit, I’m purposefully making fun of you bc your framing the two events is gross.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

It’s called looking at each situation and considering the circumstances of each instead of just grouping everything into a big ball and then saying that only the reactions to each event matter

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Anonymous #1 4w

He didn’t shoot her by mistake and everything you’re saying is irrelevant to the point I’m making. I said nothing about both of them being assignations. They were both unjust killings that one side cheered on while the other side didn’t.

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Anonymous #1 4w

One guy got shot by a rifle while speaking about politics on a college campus by a gunman who wasn’t caught until days later and one was shot by law enforcement while at the bare minimum attempting to flee the scene. I have done zero defense of either death, but if you can’t say they’re objectively different idk how you can actually be a serious person

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Anonymous #1 4w

That’s the point, this would be like me saying “both were unjust killings that one side celebrated while the other side didn’t” then you say “well one was a rifle and the other one was a pistol” that’s irrelevant to the point.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Lmao you unironically did it “one was a rifle” pls continue to point out more irrelevant details. I think one guy had kids while the college kid didn’t. Maybe the Charlie Kirk shooter and the ice guy like different memes you should bring that up. What’s their eye color maybe that’s different too? Maybe how they take their coffee?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Except neither party is a monolith. There have been countless people who celebrated both deaths and countless people who denounced both deaths. It’s impossible to say that Charlie Kirk’s murder is self defense while there is at the absolute bare minimum a case that should be brought before a court concerning the other

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Anonymous #1 4w

You are defending it by how you’re framing the events. Again both are unjust murders that one side defended while the other side didn’t. What about that specific statement is incorrect?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I brought up the weapons because the distance to a threat or at least a perceived threat is absolutely a factor 😭

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m also not grouping it “into a big ball” whatever that means, I’m picking out specific elements some of which are the same, both unjust killings, some of which are different, one side defending. I’m being very specific.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Because there is no collective opinion. Both “sides” as you say are full of people who denounced the deaths and people who supported the deaths.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

You could not be more general if you tried. “Both are just murders” when the facts of both cases play significant roles in public reaction is crazy😭

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Anonymous #1 4w

Name one democrat leader who celebrated the Kirk shooting.

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Anonymous #1 4w

You have to chose an argument was it unjustified like you said or is it now a self defense case?

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Anonymous #1 4w

I never said there was a collective opinion I’m talking about leadership on both sides that’s the meaningful difference.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

There weren’t any bc it was objectively in defensible. Name one republican leader who celebrated Renee Good’s death. NOT one who defended the officer

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m not talking about public reaction dipshit, I’m talking about two elements in this context I’m talking about 1. The reaction of LEADERSHIP 2. I’m talking about if the killing was justified or not. Those are the only elements I’m talking about. I don’t care about the public reaction, I don’t care about the gun type. If you want to relate that back to one of those two points go for it. I know you want it to be general I’m being very specific.

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Anonymous #1 4w

That’s fine we can do that name a democrat leader who defended the Charlie Kirk shooter?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I believe it was unjustified, but I don’t believe that there is zero case for it being self defense. The only defense of charlie kirk’s murder was “he said things I thought promoted hate” I personally believe Tyler Robinson acted of his own volition and acted alone, but since he isn’t on video like the ICE agent was, obviously you will see people who promote conspiracies

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

This isn’t the gotcha you think man. The reactions were different because they are completely different situations. That is my entire point.

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Anonymous #1 4w

It doesn’t matter if there’s a case that’s meaningless. What matters is what is true about the event, it was either unjustified or justified. I don’t care if people have a false perception of an event. The president was making conspiracies before even knew anything about the shooter that’s not normal.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m not saying the events were exactly the same I don’t know why you think that’s my point. Again I’m making TWO specific comparisons.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

It absolutely matters if there is a case because that’s how the rule of law works in this country. Your analysis doesn’t matter, my analysis doesn’t matter. All that matters is A. If there is enough evidence to charge the agent with a crime and B. The decision of 12 unbiased jurors. I already stated that I don’t support trump and I think any attempt to disparage Good or Kirk post mortem is wrong

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Then you’re comparing the reactions to two cases you know are vastly different, which is inherently more disingenuous

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Anonymous #1 4w

What point do you think I’m making? do you think I’m saying he shouldn’t go through the legal system? I’m saying there being a case is irrelevant to the two points I’m making.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Oj Simpson had “a case” that has no bearing on if the killing was justified or not.

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Anonymous #1 4w

You literally want to talk about anything other than the two points. If my point doesn’t matter don’t disagree with me. I know you want to live in both worlds where you disagree with me but also it doesn’t matter so you don’t have to justify your position, but that’s obviously stupid.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

The murder OJ Simpson allegedly committed A. Wasn’t on video and B. He was found innocent of. Pick a better straw man next time bruh

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I understand you are upset that Republican members of Congress and the Executive Branch are defending the ICE agent. I’m explaining to you why that is happening.

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Anonymous #1 4w

It being on video doesn’t have any bearing on a killing being justified or not. I don’t know how many ways I can make this point. I’m making a comparison I’m not saying these events are exactly the same, if I thought that I wouldn’t be making a comparison. You can only compare two things that aren’t the same that’s how a comparison works.

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Anonymous #1 4w

You’re straw manning me, Im making specific points and you’re appealing to irrelevant shit I’ve never mentioned like the public reaction or how the legal system works. Again for the third or however many times. I’m only speaking about to elements 1. The reaction of leadership 2. Were the events justified or not.

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m not talking about why it’s happening dipshit again that’s a thing I’ve never mentioned. I’m talking about 1. If it’s justified and 2. Their reaction, that’s it, that’s all.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

The fact that the ICE shooting is on video allows for real-time expert analysis or layman interpretation. Your comparison is of two vastly different events. Had there been 1 variable separated your two comparisons (race, gender, etc) I’d probably be in agreement with you on the vastly different responses. These events could not be any more different other than the final result of someone dying

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m not saying the two events are exactly same. We’re just gonna loop on you making the same argument I’ve already responded to over and over again aren’t we?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Then I will simply my response for you because clearly you don’t get it. Kirk’s shooting: 1. Objectively indefensible -> illicits bipartisan condemnation Good’s shooting 1. Possibly justified, possibly unjustified -> illicits mixed response (Anti-ICE Democrats say it’s unjustified, Pro-ICE Republicans say justified

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Anonymous #1 4w

Ok the projection is rlly painful in this convo. Let’s just focus on my two points let’s start with the first point. Was either of the killings justified? I’m not talking about if theres a case, I’m not talking about if there can be different interpretations, I’m not talking about why people believe what, I’m not even talking about if one was morally worse than another. I just want an answer were either justified?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I don’t believe so, but I haven’t celebrated either death

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Anonymous #1 4w

Ok I’m not talking about you celebrating, that’s cool we agree.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Ok my second point, can you give an example of democrat leadership defending the Charlie Kirk’s shooter. Or do you think democrats didn’t defend him?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

No, because he was a lone gunman who shot kirk from atop a rooftop. That’s pretty impossible to defend. I already understand your line of reasoning, so let me reiterate that the reason Republican lawmakers are defending the ICE agent is because there is at least a reasonable chance that it could be defended as self defense. If a republican gunman shot a democratic podcaster and Republicans defended it, I think that’d be reprehensible

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Anonymous #1 4w

Ok if thats possible then maybe instead of them defending it and making conspiracies they should just do an investigation.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Wouldn’t that be more appropriate?

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’ll do you a solid in case you want to re-post this again tmr. A better comparison would be the cases of Ashley Babitt and Renee Good. I also can’t think of any democrats who came out in support of the officer in that situation, but republicans are supporting the ICE officer who shot Renee Good

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m ab to go to bed, so I will leave you with this. I’m not a republican, nor a trump supporter. Your line of reasoning was just fucking stupid. If you’d like to use my argument that’s objectively more comparable, don’t feel the need to cite me as the source of your ideas

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Anonymous #1 4w

That’s a very bad comparison idk if I rlly want get into it bc those two simple points that you apparently agree with were extremely painful to get through. Just to bring it back that is the double standard you don’t need the situations to be exactly alike for there be a double standard.

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Anonymous #1 4w

You can just have meaningful elements that are alike that people treat differently.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

If you think that two LEO involved shootings of protesters (I’d say ashley babit’s is more justifiable than Renee Good’s even) is less comparable than a protester and a podcaster being shot, there is truly no hope for you

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Anonymous #1 4w

You literally agreed to the elements of my line of thinking but ok lmao.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I agreed with your individual analysis of both situations, I vehemently disagree with your attempt to conflate them.

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Anonymous #1 4w

It’s not about how many elements you can compare, it’s about again people treating meaningful events differently. Idk why your brain is so stuck on this point lol.

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Anonymous #1 4w

How am I conflating them?

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Anonymous #1 4w

*elements not events*

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