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Serious question, not meant to offend: Can someone explain to me why they are Marxist if anyone like that is here? I really struggle to see that being a successful standpoint after the USSR and North Korea
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Anonymous 7w

Easy, there’s lots of different types of Marxism and most of them didn’t end up in charge of a country. Broadly there’s just Maoism and Marxism-Leninism that became state ideologies, while other Marxist and Marxist-adjacent ideologies like Luxembourgism, various sorts of anarchism, etc, all define themselves in opposition to the authoritarian Marxism of the USSR and China

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Anonymous 6w

Idealists, I think a lot of people would love the idea of it but the strong “believers” or people who try to spread it don’t really have a tangible execution plan, just strong sentiments

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Anonymous 6w

I don’t know everything about Marxism at all, but I like some of Marx’s ideas, like the idea that workers should have some ownership over the product of their labor

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Anonymous 6w

Not require educated enough to call myself a Marxist, but Lenin made a compelling argument regarding the state and revolution regarding the class system and the way the owning classes uses the legal system as a tool for keeping their own stability, while running through the logistics of a working class person doing the same

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Anonymous 6w

The USSR never followed Marxism, it was Lenin, then Stalin. North Korea isn’t a traditional communist country. You’re thinking of china—which had Mao. Lenin and Mao were inspired by Marx, Stalin was just a psycho. Mao had a better run, but all current examples of “communism” in practice wasn’t true communism, the reason these governments failed/had problems was bc the countries were going through economic hardship and then bc of poor leadership got worse

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Anonymous 6w

Not Marxist, but not capitalist.

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Anonymous replying to -> bongo_fury 7w

And then ofc there’s just lots of people who Stan the USSR and China for various reasons

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 6w

That’s my personal issue with communism. The principles seem great in theory, but would require a greedless utopia to pull off on a large scale. I just don’t think it’s feasible or possible. It’s just like how ideal capitalism never would’ve gotten this bad- but the ideology incentivizes excessive monetization and wealth disparity, something we can see clearly now as we live in it.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 6w

Personally I am a proponent of socialism, but I just can’t get on board with the argument of “we just haven’t had a good enough example of communism yet”

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 6w

Not saying wealth distribution should completely line up with iq distribution, but that curve doesn’t point to a system where opportunities for personal growth are optimal.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 6w

For lack of better options, and bias towards whatever fuck shit we’ve got going on now, I can agree with the left on certain things pretty readily and happily.

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 6w

There’s a certain amount of optimism I don’t agree with, but they get the gist of it, you know?

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Anonymous replying to -> bongo_fury 6w

Appreciate it! I don’t think I realized there were really that many different types of Marxism so I’ll probably start looking into those some

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 6w

The truth is we haven’t had a true example. Not a good one, bc a good one is just a socialist nation. Bc communism in general, Marxism in general, can’t be achieved. Marx wrote it as a utopia. He knew it wasn’t possible.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 6w

And who’s to say that if a nation had a good starting point it wouldn’t work out. Our current examples are of politically destabilized nations who went through intense authoritarian regimes that had a bad habit of picking friends over a meritocracy that was necessary.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 6w

Overall, I think we’re working towards similar goals and would support similar progressives. In the end I just want a meritocracy that supports the working class and everybody’s rights.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 6w

yup, people naturally want a communal way of life and political environment. It’s much simpler and better for equity

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