Anonymous #1 26w

😑 Okay, couple of notes: 1) It doesn’t say “being genocided”, it says “about to”. 2) That is a reasonable concern for trans people to have based on actions of the Trump administration and the GOP at large.

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Genocide is when passports are revoked?

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Did you not just list that as an example

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Anonymous #2 26w

Do people just not read shit anymore before they reply? Again, “about to” is a very different timeline than “is currently happening”. And based on how things are going that’s a valid concern. This is also a bad comparison because not all genocides follow the same mechanical template. Gaza looks different from the Holocaust looked different from Native American genocide. That’s a patently unreasonable standard.

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It’s fair to say that the trans humanity is being oppressed

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So why not just say there is discrimination and oppression? It feels like saying that isn’t enough so people have to keep pushing on what it “ could be one day” There seems to be only downsides when making statements like that

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i said this in another comment but if you want to capture the severity without the semantic issues call it a crime against humanity—the UN’s term for stuff like this that isn’t necessarily just against national, racial, ethnic, and religious groups

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Which of those do you think applies to the trans community

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Anonymous #1 26w

1-3 and 5 at the very least are all in full swing.

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bro somebody please read about crimes against humanity it is the accurate term based on the UN Rome Statute and captures the severity you’re trying to capture

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Anonymous #4 26w

also all of the actions of genocide fit under the crimes against humanity umbrella

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Anonymous #4 26w

So does genocide. Genocide is an equally accurate word AND one that the average person actually understands, which means it’s frankly a better word to use this context.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 26w

One and two are definitely not in effect. Do you have any examples?

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literally the only reason it’s not is because they’re not a national, racial, ethnic, or religious group and if you’re gonna go as specific to pull up the rome statute it implies you’re trying to go about exact definitions no? if you mean to describe the sorta kinda thing it is sure but don’t use the rome statute if you’re not using it

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Anonymous #1 26w

two is easily the clearest article threatening the trans community- efforts to ban gender affirming care already fits

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Anonymous #4 26w

then on top of that efforts to outlaw any recognition of people’s true gender identity also section 2

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but there already is a term that includes queer people literally on the same level in terms of scope and severity as genocide it’s not denial in any form to say it’s a crime against humanity, you can have a crime against humanity more severe than something classified as genocide so i don’t see how it’s a cop out at all

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Anonymous #4 26w

using the more accurate term doesn’t change the severity of the thing you’re describing. the word doesn’t change the event the event changes which word you use

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Anonymous #1 26w

You’re seriously gonna stand here and tell me you don’t think trans people are getting subjected to murder and violent assault for being trans? And that the U.S. government isn’t participating in it through things like v-coding and DHS profiling?

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Anonymous #4 26w

like my question would be why does it have to be genocide to validate the current threat?

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Anonymous #4 26w

It doesn’t have to be genocide to “validate” the threat, but it DOES have to be genocide to communicate effectively about the threat. The average layperson doesn’t know or care what the legal definition of a “crime against humanity” is, but they both understand and have an appropriate mental response to genocide. Why do you insist on muddying those waters?

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Anonymous #4 26w

Crime against humanity isn’t even “the more accurate term”. If I’m being generous, they’re equally accurate; in reality, “genocide” is the more accurate term because it’s more specific.

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 26w

well the waters are already muddy here but what you’re saying makes sense just know genocide is a term so loaded with historical precedent people often draw question to its usage so using it just to communicate severity makes sense but when and if ever you need to get down to nitty gritty of accuracy and definition crimes against humanity is probably the way to go

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 26w

see and this is where yall are losing me because you can’t talk about specifics when it specifically doesn’t include gender sexual minorities in the definition just don’t use the rome statute is all i’m saying 😭

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Anonymous #4 26w

I’m not using the Rome statute, you are and I’m criticizing you for it.

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well yeah i already said section two of article one can easily describe the current threats to trans people

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 26w

hold on in that case there are different arguments going on but with what you’re saying of just use genocide because it’s what will make sense to people makes sense to me

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Anonymous #1 26w

You don’t find anything concerning about trans people being banned from leaving the country? Damn you need to read some German history.

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Anonymous #1 26w

Do you think murdering people in the streets is step one for a genocide?

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 26w

Murders in the streets? Where’s that happening

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Anonymous #1 26w

Not what I said.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 26w

Oh I thought you were going to make a point my bad

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Anonymous #1 26w

You didn’t answer my question.

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 26w

I wouldn’t say that’s step one, nor have I alluded to that

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Anonymous #1 26w

He did make a point, dingbat. We can be in the early stages of a genocide without getting packed up in the street on the day to day (which is still way more common than for cis people anyway but that’s not the point)

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Anonymous amethyst_headphone51 26w

Do you think we are in the early stages of a Christian genocide in america? (I want to preface that I am not religious) But if we’re loosening the definition that much, church shootings/violence and social pressure could fit too and they’re a religious majority. I think opening that up would only hurt the trans community in the long run. You honestly could make the point for fat people as well

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Anonymous #1 26w

genocide is organized and institutional not individual acts of violence so no

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Anonymous #4 26w

The trans community is neither a national, ethnical, racial or religious group

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Anonymous #1 26w

Genocide only necessitates a common group identity, which a gender expression can fall under.

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Anonymous #1 26w

idk if you read that entire conversation up there but people use genocide because it’s the term people understand as widespread effort to destroy a collective identity but if we’re being specific about it yeah it’s a crime against severity which is an international crime of the same severity

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Anonymous ireallylikepancakes 26w

According to who

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Anonymous #1 26w

Mainly the people committing the genocide, honestly.

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