Anonymous #1 19h

I also think DSA, as an internal critique, has always been a little shy to un-endorse. Like once someone is DSA-endorsed, I don’t know what it would take to actually lose that. Like how many strikes do you get before you’re cut off? Because it’s one thing to be fighting and losing, I don’t expect change to be easy, but you at least gotta be doing what is well within the scope of your power. You gotta be putting in an effort.

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 19h

Basically tldr is Mamdani is what the default for the party should be, and because he’s actually at the level of not being totally useless, he shines in comparison to other dems. but he isn’t doing anything radical

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Anonymous lazy_eye 19h

Ok tbf to Mamdani, the NYPD are a bunch of whiny bitches, so even touching them would prob lead to half of them going on strike and screaming abt how they can’t kill or harass minorities anymore. I can understand wanting to not have your first year or so not have a massive PR nightmare

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 19h

At some point the NYPD Band-Aid’s gotta get ripped off, if they go on soft-strike over the Mayor exercising the authority he was given by the people of the city to choose the commissioner, then they’re breaking their oath to the public, and you can just hammer that. I was hoping Zohran would be the first Democrat not to cower in the face of the one city department where 80% of the staff live in the damn suburbs.

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 19h

It’s like trying to reason with a squad of preschoolers, cops are actually mentally cooked half the time. Now if Mamdani doesn’t slowly ramp up pressure on them I’ll be more disappointed in him

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 19h

Tbh if he was serious he would let them. They live in NY too, they would still see the consequences of their strike just to preserve a city-sanctioned hit squad and a commissioner who cares more about arrest numbers than actually addressing crime.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 19h

Oh I totally agree it does need to eventually be ripped off and dealt with, but I do understand in the first year wanting to avoid a nationwide PR disaster. Ik there’s some socialists who would disagree with me, but to a degree public image does matter bc the median voter is actually a mouth breathing idiot. You have to be able to sell your positions

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Anonymous lazy_eye 19h

Already addressed it in another comment but I don’t disagree, I just also think that to a degree optics does matter. And I can understand wanting to have some big successes under Mamdani’s belt before him going for the NYPD

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 19h

“This is not a labor issue, we didn’t change their working conditions, we didn’t lower their salaries, we made no direct changes to police policy. We simply installed a new commissioner, as is standard practice for an incoming mayoral administration. The NYPD’s response is simply a dereliction of duty for political reasons.” It’s that simple. Democrats as a rule are just kinda cowardly about any and all negotiations. They NEVER play hard ball even when they run as “not like the other democrats”

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 19h

Again, I don’t disagree. It’s just that I think Mamdani needs some successes under his belt before doing that. Having some good will in your direction from the general public makes them less likely to take what would be an inevitable police strike as seriously

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 19h

He’s one of the most popular politicians in the country rn, he’s got all the good will anyone could ever hope for. I don’t think he needs to be pulling Assad numbers in the polls to be able to win that battle in the public eye, especially among the people who it matters for him to do so with, his own constituents. Because frankly I don’t care if people outside New York clutch their pearls about reining in the NYPD.

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Anonymous just_peachy_ 19h

Idk I hope what I’m saying makes sense, ik I’ve sorta waffled a bit here. I’m just trying to say that to a degree I can understand not having that be something you do out the gate. Strategy is important

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 19h

Well yeah ofc that’s why I said as time goes on I’m growing less generous towards him not doing it. I’m just saying i understand the first few months holding off

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Anonymous #5 18h

i will say, however, it’s refreshing seeing a politician give a shit and actively try and help people. liberal, socialist, or whatever you wanna call him, it’s clear he at least is TRYING to help the people of new york.

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Anonymous #5 18h

I’m not asking him to seize the means of production, I just think he should at least appoint a new NYPD commissioner. That’s part of his job description, he gets to do that. Don’t run as a radical and then govern in a cowardly way. “Oh the NYPD will be mad tho” Good. The NYPD’s been dirty for a century, you’re gonna have to piss them off in their current state if you ever wanna fix anything. Fixing that organization is gonna piss off the people benefitting from it being broken.

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Anonymous cheese_of_the_world_unite 18h

If he kowtows here, he’s basically showing his belly to every other force that would stand in the way of progress. Refusing to exercise his written and precedented right to appoint a police commissioner because the NYPD might get mad is a crazy display of weakness. Every other right wing interest group will see that, and know how easy it is to make him back down off the things the people of the city voted for.

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