Anonymous #1 1w

Yuck

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

its just wild cuz all the evidence of these countries show that socialism leads to collapse and liberalism leads to growth and yall still dont get it

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Anonymous #1 1w

I mean, I’m not a socialist, so I agree that these states are unstable but we’re no peach either. I think some marketism is good and yeah that is why China is doing well. China is doing so awesome economically in fact. Way better than us. I’d choose them over us any day of the week. But I’m a different breed of leftist. Just like seeing leftism spread and be realized in different ways. Very sad to see neoliberalism ravage the west.

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

uh no the quality of life in america is leagues better than china

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Anonymous #1 1w

I wasn’t talking about quality of life standards I was referencing fascism, though yeah our country has been actively gutted since the 70s

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Anonymous #1 1w

Highly recommend this text! It was foundational for my capstone paper I’d did for my undergrad degree

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Anonymous #1 1w

It’s a bit stuffy and dry but it’s a really good read

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

okay and china is leagues more authoritarian than the us

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Anonymous #1 1w

That’s highly debatable haha, especially now 😂. Authoritarianism is bad, i agree. I’d rather the Chinese over us still. Especially as an urban professional. My dad already travels there for business and has his Z visa. Hoping to follow him

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Anonymous #1 1w

The companies that the Obama and now Trump admin is allying itself with, namely Palantir (their deals were originally struck with Obama) and now Oracle, Flock, etc, they want to set up a system exactly like the Chinese but worse in my mind. So I’ll take China any day.

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

no serious person is debating this

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Anonymous #1 1w

That’s a very subjective take but okay

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Anonymous #1 1w

Call me crazy but I’d prefer Chinese authoritarianism that whatever crazy neofascism is sprouting here from the putrid brew they’ve been cooking for the last 60 years

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

*than

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

i mean we have elections they have one party authoritarian rule soooo

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Anonymous #1 1w

“But we have elections” the funniest part is even in our western political science a core tenet taught in comparative politics is that elections are one single measure and usually have little bearing on whether a country is democratic or not

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Anonymous #1 1w

Substantive democracy is the term used and we are less of that each day. Funnier still is Hayek and Friedman, the fathers of Neoliberalism and leaders within the Mont Pelerin society that spread neoliberalism despised democracy and any perceived populism on top of it. As Wendy Brown explores in her book

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

yeah dawg id simply rather live in a place where i vote my leaders in, can speak freely in person and online, and have access to the internet

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Anonymous #1 1w

I’d rather live in a place where my basic needs are met as a baseline and guaranteed by funds extracted from businesses (though rural Chinese are very much left behind, and farmers are treated terribly; China absolutely isn’t perfect)

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Anonymous #1 1w

you get to vote in preapproved candidates, and it isn’t even ultimately decided by popular vote. sounds like a whole lotta copium tbh.

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Anonymous #2 1w

(That’s without even expanding the scope to include the modern further consolidation of fascistic power we’re living through)

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Anonymous #2 1w

1) primary voters choose the candidates 2) the problems with american democracy are so far away from china idk how u could seriously compare them like theyre even in the same universe

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Anonymous #1 1w

and who is allowed to participate within those primaries? do you know why there has rarely been any successful third-party candidates? as I stated, pre-approved candidates. additionally, are you trying to diminish the severity of the current fascistic consolidation of power we’re living through? not only is it expanding on our existing fascistic tendencies, but also attempting to forcibly overhaul the American political sphere in favor of discriminatory authoritarianism.

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Anonymous #2 1w

hell, the fact that you’re still referring to this nation as a democracy speaks volumes.

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Anonymous #1 1w

you can dislike China all you’d like, but attempting to diminish and whitewash the authoritarianism of the United States government is quite a choice.

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Anonymous #2 1w

i havent said anything about authoritarianism in america, im simply stating that its nowhere near china, which it isnt. its ironically whitewashing the authoritarianism in china

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Anonymous #1 1w

Idk man, I’m LGBT and I feel less safe here each day. I’d rather live in a country that targets people that advocate for capitalism than a country with a growing minority of people that seek to exterminate or otherwise violate anyone that isn’t a straight male WASP

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

https://www.equaldex.com/compare/china/united-states

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Anonymous #1 1w

Suspicious link

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

okay lmao, you dont have to do much research of your own to see the repression in china

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Anonymous #1 1w

Repression of what, gay people? I mean yeah that’s kinda a global thing. But China doesn’t have zealous religious people that want me dead or locked away

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

At least not nearly as many as we do, never say never amirite

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

you do this strange thing where you mention some faction of american politics that are for a certain thing as the reason why you prefer china, then just dont acknowledge that thats actually all of china right now from a state level

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Anonymous #1 1w

China is a religiously zealous country that wants to kill all gay people in the name of a deity?

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Anonymous .gaia. 1w

not necessarily no, but the china policies on gay people are certainly more in the direction of american religious fanatics. again i just dont get why you stake all of american politics on a faction that is not popular when chinas actual on the books policies are far more discriminatory

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Anonymous #1 1w

Where in Chinese law does it say to jail or kill gay people? Or has a party official said that in a speech? As far as my understanding is, China has no protections for gay people specifically. But they don’t target them. I’d rather that and have my basic needs met than deal with where this forsaken nation is headed

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Anonymous #1 1w

You act like any protection we have here is codified in stone and untouchable. That’s true nowhere about anything and never has been. I’d rather deal with a largely ambivalent society than one made of a minority of foaming nutcases and a majority of bystanders

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