Anonymous #1 2w

Do you believe that citizens do not have the right to defend themselves from murder (by definition, unjust killing) if it’s being committed by a federal agent?

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Anonymous #2 2w

Look I don’t think Renee good or alex pretti should’ve died but the fact is they were doing illegal things and not defending themselves. They both went out there and were harassing federal agents trying to complete operations. You can’t do that, that should be obvious. Again, sad they died and it was an obvious sign the ice agents are not trained enough. But if they weren’t being ambushed by protesters nothing close to this would’ve happened

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Anonymous #1 2w

lmao have you seen the videos of both of these occurrences? because either you haven't seen them or you are completely unable to interpret what you see

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Anonymous #1 2w

Wait, so are we talking about harassment or self-defense here? Because neither Renee Good nor Alex Pretti engaged in self-defense, whether it be lawful or unlawful. Unless there’s something I’m missing, those incidents don’t seem relevant to your point.

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Anonymous #3 2w

I’ll say it again bc that was prolly too long for you to read through. Sad that they died. Totally not a good thing. Ice agents were wrong. Also tho, violent protesters attacking ice agents all day and 2 of them happen to die in the process. Maybe they should’ve stayed home? Don’t forget these agents are human too, the stress of having violent protesters all around you. Mass deportations aren’t even happening. It’s gonna be less than 500k deportations during trumps 2nd term by the end of 2026

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Anonymous #1 2w

i could not give less of a fuck about how ice agents feel about anything. they deserve absolutely no grace in this situation. neither pretti or good were attacking the agents, again, very obvious in the videos. maybe federal agents should be trained better so they don't murder citizens, crazy concept. somehow obama and biden managed to deport more people without murdering their country's citizens

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Anonymous #1 2w

"maybe they should have stayed home" people have the right to protest without fear of death by emotional ice agents and "the stress" that the agents are under was completely chosen by them, if it's too much for their sensibilities they shouldn't be doing the job. same goes for cops.

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Anonymous #3 2w

Woah woah dude hold on, this guy is totally moving the goalposts here. Those incidents aren’t even relevant to the point at hand, he’s trying to move to a better position since his original stance is completely indefensible.

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Anonymous #3 2w

It’s not a peaceful protest

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Anonymous #2 2w

good point

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Anonymous #3 2w

Also obviously Biden and Obama didn’t kill anyone, there wasn’t mass protests with people looking to become martyrs

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Anonymous #1 2w

"it's"? what protest are you talking about? there have been many lmao

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Anonymous #3 2w

The ones in Minneapolis

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Anonymous #1 2w

It’s not a federal agents right to break the law. The entire purpose of the 2a was for the people to defend themselves from tyranny and ICE as it is being used is the definition of tyranny

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Anonymous #1 2w

Let’s get back to the original point. Do you believe that citizens are not allowed to defend themselves from murder (which is, by definition, unlawful killing) when it is being committed by a federal agent on the clock?

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Anonymous #1 2w

they're being massively exacerbated by ice buddy

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Anonymous #1 2w

there weren't protests because obama and biden went about things lawfully. they didn't revoke thousands of visas, they didn't pull people out of courts, they didn't put troops in our streets and they didn't treat immigrants like less than human. this is genuinely so easy to understand, are you always this willfully ignorant?

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Anonymous #2 2w

Yes but when ice agents take the street they aren’t murdering people. Two people died which is terrible. But in no way are the people in Minneapolis defending themselves, they are rioting

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Anonymous #1 2w

But with that in mind, would you agree that the use of lethal force is only acceptable if there is a clear and present threat to the life of the federal agents or the public?

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Anonymous #2 2w

Yes. I would say alex pretti was a violent protester but he did not to deserve to die, the agents clearly messed up. But at the same time he wasn’t doing himself any favors, provoking ice agents and bringing a gun with you is trouble. Renee good slightly different, she didn’t deserve to die and I do think she wasn’t trying to hit the agent. But in the moment there is milliseconds and I don’t think the ice agents reaction was totally unjustified. It happens fast, there is no watching it in slo mo

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Anonymous #1 2w

Violent protesting is actually the correct response to armed terrorist paramilitaries kidnapping your neighbors. ICE Agents deserve the death penalty, literally all of them at this point. That was our mistake, we let thousands of Nazi war criminals go free. We let literally the entire confederate leadership go free.

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Anonymous #1 2w

What did he do that was violent? ICE agents were literally assaulting a woman, he helped her stand up and then they started beating on him. One of them saw his legally possessed, holstered gun and then mag dumped him in the back. This was a summary execution. If there is any justice in the world the man who did it will face a firing squad within the next decade.

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Anonymous #1 2w

are you pro gun by chance?

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Anonymous #5 2w

Like we all didn’t see the video of him kicking the tail light off the cops car. And you can’t just help a person who’s being arrested

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Anonymous #3 2w

Yes

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Anonymous #5 2w

Your illegal neighbors*

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Anonymous #1 2w

So with all that in mind, picture this: A non law-enforcement vehicle pulls up to a U.S citizen out walking around. A group of armed, masked men in paramilitary gear rush out and demand the citizen’s immigration papers. When asked, they refuse to identify themselves. The citizen does not have immigration papers, as they are a citizen. The men state that the citizen is under arrest and needs to get in the car. Does this present a clear and present danger to the U.S citizen?

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Anonymous #1 2w

then you're an absolute joke lmao

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Anonymous #2 2w

genuinely #1 is too stupid to understand the current climate of this country, we're wasting our time

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Anonymous #1 2w

You mean the almost certainly AI generated video that per its proponents is from days earlier? Is damaging an empty, abandoned cop car a capital offense? And also, the woman wasn’t being arrested… they were literally just beating her for no reason… because ICE are thugs

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Anonymous #2 2w

Well actually they just ask for id not immigration papers. And you know what false arrests happen and it’s part of deporting illegal but it’s rare. They ask for id

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Anonymous #3 2w

Are you a woman by chance

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Anonymous #3 2w

I don’t believe that anyone is too stupid to accept new information. The other side are victims of intense, lifelong propaganda, and I think that anyone can be deprogrammed if we give them a chance. Acknowledging that Pretti and Good died unjust deaths is a crack in their belief structure that we can widen to expose them to the whole truth. They’re just drawing the wrong conclusions from the incidents.

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Anonymous #1 2w

Then let’s amend that to “asks for ID”. Since U.S citizens aren’t required to carry ID, this person does not have it on them. Now would you say that this person is in clear and present danger from these unidentified men?

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Anonymous #2 2w

Yall are idiots you can’t just run up on ice. What do you think is happening when these people get shot they are literally provoking law enforcement. It’s truly sad they died but they are literally attacking law enforcement. And think of how many people were attacking law enforcement during the entire time they were in Minneapolis. There should have been national guard there to keep the protesters away from ice bc it’s already a high stress job + an angry mob and these people are human

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Anonymous #1 2w

Just answer the question. Is this person in clear and present danger from the armed, unidentified men?

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Anonymous #2 2w

Sorry was responding to your last comment. No they’re not in danger. At the worst they get arrested and released and they should be compensated handsomely for the wrongful arrest.

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Anonymous #1 2w

No, the worst case is that the men are not ICE agents, and this person has been kidnapped. The correct option for them would have been to open fire. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-rise-arrests-made-as-authorities-issue-national-warning This is what happens when you allow a law-enforcement agency to develop a culture that they are above protocol and above the law.

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Anonymous #1 2w

ICE’s consistent disregard for regulation has made it so that the public no longer trusts them to follow the law. And as such, it is painfully easy to impersonate an ICE agent; the public understands that ICE oftentimes will act unlawfully. This is, ironically, an enormous threat to law and order. In this situation, it becomes patriotic to protest and disrupt, not to sit down and allow them to run rampant.

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Anonymous #2 2w

Fake police crimes happen way more than fake ice crimes. So because law enforcement gets impersonated should we get rid of it? Should we just live a lawless society? Seriously get real

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Anonymous #1 2w

At the same time, lawmakers should make an effort to bring this rogue agency back in line with the law, by first shutting down their operations, as they jeopardize the public’s trust in the law and trust in law enforcement, and then passing additional reforms. Shutting them down can be accomplished by withholding funding, something the Dems are currently doing.

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Anonymous #2 2w

I would be behind reforming ice. But they need to be deporting these illegals

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Anonymous #1 2w

Then you would agree that ICE must be shut down while it’s reorganized to bring it back in line with the law. They are currently operating far outside the bounds they are legally allowed to and consistently disobey judicial orders, and without a decisive action, they will continue to operate in an illegal fashion.

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Anonymous #2 2w

Yea probably but mass deportations are already over. Trump is going to the Obama era policy which is violent criminals only. I think deportation might work under a more competent president. He didn’t get it done in 16 I’m not sure why people voted him into office in 24.

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Anonymous #1 2w

It sounds like your train of reasoning boils down to: “There isn’t a problem now, never was, and never will be again, because the problem that didn’t happen already happened”. The mass deportations are very much still happening, and even if they weren’t, lawmakers must act to make sure that they don’t have the chance to act so unlawfully again.

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Anonymous #1 2w

And this disregards the fact that the government is supposed to be a democracy. When policies like mass deportations and allowing ICE to act outside the law are so unpopular that they cause massive protests, the government *should* listen to its constituents, don’t you agree? Instead, the right wing appears more loyal to the wishes of the President than the wishes of the public, which I think you’d agree is a bad thing.

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