Anonymous #2 4w

i understand your position and appreciate the civilized response! if i can ask, what gives you that opinion? i do agree that it's a tough thing morally (even being pro-choice i wonder about the morality)

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Anonymous OP 4w

For me it’s hard to draw the of where it becomes a “life”. If you try to draw the line using any defining characteristic other than existence there is analogous situation you could draw where excluding that being from the definition of “personhood” wouldn’t be appropriate.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Since I view it as life that has to change how I think about abortion. However, the fetus is also inherently reliant on the mother which makes it obviously more complicated. I view it as a responsibility thing. If someone chooses to partake in intercourse they need to be responsible for the consequences of that, and one of those consequences might be that a person is reliant on them. But again if the person’s choice of actions brought that about, the person shouldn’t terminate that life.

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Anonymous OP 4w

Two caveats: if the pregnant person didn’t consent to the sexual activity then I don’t think they should have to carry the baby. And second, I know this opinion would disproportionately impact women which isn’t fair. Not saying it makes up for it but I would be all for legislation that tries to hold men responsible for a greater share of the financial burden to try to even that out.

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Anonymous #2 4w

a very well rounded opinion, in my opinion lol. i agree that irresponsibility is not a good reason to have an abortion, but i do think that better education and resources would help prevent some of this. i think the thing for me is that there is no reliable way to differentiate someone who is irresponsible from someone who became pregnant due SA and is scared to say something from a contraceptive failure from a woman who wants a child but can't afford it or even someone who was coerced into

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Anonymous OP 4w

sex (which i personally believe happens pretty often). point being that this fact makes it hard to put sweeping bans in place... i think that ultimately a child being brought into a world where their mother/parents don't want and probably resent them is unfair

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Anonymous OP 4w

Yeah I think you’re right that it definitely better in theory than in actuality. I don’t really have an answer for what to practically do about the cases of SA, ur definitely right that it would force women to disclose potentially more than they want to after those incidents occur which is obviously problematic

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Anonymous OP 4w

And as far as the affordability issue goes, back to your original point I am all for trying to allocate more funding to supporting women trying to raise kids, or on the other side of things the foster/adoption system which desperately needs an upgrade too. I understand it’s incredible challenging and often there are no good answers, but given that I think the fetus is a life it’s hard for me to let the affordability issue supersede the life if that makes sense

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Anonymous #2 4w

understandable, i'm just interested to know what your stance is specifically, if that's ok, like full ban? ban after a certain amount of time? something else?

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Anonymous #2 4w

i do still think that if the amount of effort that is put into opposing and attempting to make abortion illegal was put into improving resources, as we discussed, it eliminate many of those that are due to irresponsibility or lack of resources

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Anonymous OP 4w

*it would eliminate

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Anonymous fuuuckyikyak 4w

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