Anonymous #1 6d

Because they won’t be satisfied by merely removing all the Palestinians. They need to rewrite history to kill the memory of them too.

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Anonymous OP 6d

I feel like it’s something similar with trying to portray Zionism as not being a form of colonialism. The prominent Zionists back in the day called it colonization. But I guess now colonization is viewed negatively in a way it wasn’t back then so they need to call it something else.

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Anonymous #1 6d

The revisionism is something that’s really prominent in Israel. Changing Arabic place names to Hebrew. Back in the 50s-70s there was a ton of razing of historic Palestinian villages, so much so that several Arabic Jewish synagogues were destroyed.

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Anonymous #2 6d

during this time both Palestinian and Israeli national identities were in their infancy and the area was under British colonial control. before that it was an Ottoman territory called Transjordan

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Anonymous #2 6d

Crazy how the mf British did a better job of respecting the native peoples culture than the current ruling class

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Anonymous OP 6d

to be fair in Israel every sign is in Hebrew, Arabic, and English and shekels (coins and bills) have all three languages too

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Anonymous #1 6d

Revisionism pains me almost as much as the genocide does, more than it should. Like if they’re pushing this hard now to revise history, when information has never been easier to get, imagine how much of our known history is just revision after revision?

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Anonymous #2 6d

Sure, but it’s all Israel centric now and pretty much anything with Palestinian heritage has been changed to be more Hebrew/jewish centric Plus the coins have been gradually changed to have less and less English/arabic and more Hebrew

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Anonymous OP 6d

There has been a lot of revisionism in the United States, but I think fortunately at least in the scientific fields there is still a push to develop the most accurate view of things. Like even if the public or politicians commonly views something which is incorrect, usually the historical community at least knows what is true.

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Anonymous #1 6d

A good example of historic revisionism of this sort in the United States is the various mounds scattered across the Midwest and southeast. English settlers claimed that the mounds couldn’t have been built by native Americans, so attributed them to Vikings, Israelites, Toltecs, Egyptians, or welsh. They even claimed that colonization was “avenging” these people which had presumably been killed off. But as the archaeological field developed, it was proved that they were made by native Americans.

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Anonymous #1 6d

Similarly, the site of Great Zimbabwe in what was then Rhodesia was commonly attributed to Phoenicians or Egyptians, but archaeologists proved it was made by indigenous Africans.

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Anonymous #2 6d

I mean for now I guess. I know there’s been a push by the current government to remove Arabic’s official status and its place on street signs.

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Anonymous #1 6d

🎵 ~Hello Mississippi~ 🎶 Look at those Mounds 👀

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Anonymous OP 6d

I was just at Cahokia two days ago I was thrilled

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Anonymous OP 6d

not really. the new shekel coins were designed in 86 when Israeli authorities were more hopeful about a 2 state solution, so they used Israeli symbols assuming a soon-to-be established Palestinian government would mint their own coins soon

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Anonymous #1 6d

there’s been a push by extremists in the current government but they represent only a tiny share of the population and they only have power because Israel’s electoral system is even more fucked than ours

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Anonymous #1 6d

I’ve never been in person to any of the sites, but I’d love to go! I’ve spent hours exploring them with the USGS National Map Viewer, they have LiDAR layers that can get you like 1ft resolution so the amount of detail you get is INSANE The layer I use specifically is the 3D elevation profile (3DEP) hillshade stretched which exaggerates vertical relief a bit

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Anonymous OP 6d

What region do you live in? I’ve visited a few in Ohio and Cahokia. I’d like to visit great circle earthworks next, or maybe some of the really ancient ones down in Louisiana

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Anonymous #2 6d

I mean day by day it seems like the extremists are the ones who keep getting more and more power.

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Anonymous #1 6d

I’m east of the blue ridges so most native settlements in my area have long been altered. Pretty much the epicenter of Creasps war if you’re familiar. We have barely any native sites around us here unfortunately. The earliest map of the area I could find was just European settlers’ land patents

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Anonymous #1 6d

it’s a bit of an illusion. i won’t do a whole explanation about how israel’s government works but netanyahu only barely managed to keep his government together in 22 by allying with a bunch of tiny extremist right wing parties that had never been in the ruling coalition before— they gave him the majority he needed by like 2 votes, but if they’re unhappy with him, they’ll leave and collapse his government. bibi can’t afford to let that happen bc as soon as it does he goes to prison

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Anonymous OP 6d

Ah darn. I’m from southeast Virginia. While we don’t have any mounds, there’s some pretty good native archaeology here just due to the historical importance of the Powhatan.

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Anonymous #2 6d

so they have a shit ton of power over him that they shouldn’t have and he keeps appeasing him even as it turns more and more of the population against him. at this point he knows he’ll never win the next election so he’s delaying it as long as possible and the extremists are ramming through as many victories as they can

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Anonymous #2 6d

*he keeps appeasing them

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Anonymous #2 6d

the hope is that this drives israelis back to the left. they used to be a generally very left leaning country until the oslo accords collapsed and the second intifada. after that, they were willing to believe people like bibi who said peace was impossible and the only way to keep them safe was military aggression. but in the last few years he has well and truly proven to everyone that he was wrong— the question is just, now what?

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Anonymous #2 6d

How do you feel about the orientation of the other parties? It seems like Yesh Atid has gotten pretty complacent in allowing the West Bank settlements. And Bennett is trying to drum up fear about Turkey. The Democrats in my opinion seem like the only ethical party with a majority-Jewish electoral base and they’re quite minor.

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Anonymous #1 6d

yeah Yesh Atid is not my favorite but i think in a coalition with more left parties and especially the Arab List they might make a decent government

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Anonymous #2 6d

I have a hard time imagining another coalition government including the Arab list these days tbh

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Anonymous #2 6d

if the Democrats know what they’re doing they’ll seize this opportunity and step up and offer the people an alternative to how things have been going but they tend to have a lot of infighting

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Anonymous #2 6d

Seems like that’s how it often goes. The decent left wing people squabble about minor stuff while the right wingers all cooperate

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Anonymous #1 6d

i actually think it’s more likely now than it has been in a long time. the arab parties are running as a joint list again which gives them a lot of leverage. the center-left needs them to form a coalition

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Anonymous #1 6d

100% it’s a very depressing pattern

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Anonymous #2 6d

Well I hope the center-left coalition has some luck. Israel could really use some cooler heads in power right now. I don’t have very high hopes though.

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Anonymous #1 6d

Center left as in center to left just wanted to clarify

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