Anonymous #4 6d

Dude people need healthcare, opening the government in such a way that millions of Americans lose healthcare and the average person has to pay twice the previous amount for the same healthcare is just unworkable. Republicans have done little to meaningfully address this point so the government stays closed

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Anonymous #2 6d

You cannot argue both ways. Government is closed because Dems are focusing on the healthcare aspect. All effects of that are because of that. Go stand your ground on healthcare, that’s the Dems’ right, but that argument inherently admits fault for the fallout

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Anonymous #2 6d

The Democrats are demanding some insane things, however even if I'm wrong couldn't they reopen the government and figure it out without continuing this mess.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Dude the republicans are going to destroy middle and lower class Americans because they refuse to do anything to protect healthcare. Blaming the democrats for using their limited tools to address this issue is just dishonest. Republicans control all three chambers, what’s stopping them from protecting healthcare then opening the gov?

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Anonymous #2 6d

And the fault of the fallout isn’t purely democratic either. Trump is working hard to make this hurt as much as he can, that’s why he tried to illegally withhold snap funds from our poorest citizens despite having the money to pay out

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Anonymous #2 6d

Again, your argument admits it is prioritizing the healthcare issue over others. And that’s fine, but they are using the shutdown as leverage for their healthcare agenda. Straight up. Trump says talks will happen upon reopening, but dems don’t want to give up their leverage. Also valid. But then own the fallout

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Anonymous #4 6d

What insane things are the democrats demanding? And again, I put the blame rightfully on the republicans. If they supposedly want to protect healthcare once the government opens, why not make a deal to do that now? Nothing they’re doing gives people the indication that they truly intend to act correctly here once the gov opens

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Anonymous #2 6d

Your exact argument can be applied to Dems lol. If they care so much about healthcare AND federal workers AND snap, why not take care of all those problems now and work on healthcare after?

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Anonymous #3 6d

Yes because doubling healthcare costs for the average American will be catastrophic. Can you imagine the harm that would follow if that were allowed to happen? It makes a lot of sense that democrats would work hard to prevent that using any tools at their disposal

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Anonymous #2 6d

And again, you have to give credit where credit is due for who is making this shutdown intentionally painful for vulnerable people; that’s republicans

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Anonymous #2 6d

So then it wouldn’t be catastrophic if federal workers and the military don’t get paid and SNAP doesn’t get funded…?

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Anonymous #3 6d

Because opening the gov means they don’t have leverage and republicans have shown that they have no desire to protect healthcare unless they’re forced to

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Anonymous #2 6d

So the shutdown exists as leverage for Dems. That’s established. The Republicans are making them regret using it for leverage and that also hurts the people. Also established. Now, who can end this? 5 total Dems to vote to reopen. It’s that simple

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Anonymous #3 6d

You’re essentially saying that republicans should be able to hold the American people hostage and that it is the democrats who are at fault. I guess mechanically you can say that but the blame in my mind is purely Republican

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Anonymous #2 6d

The Dems are literally holding the people hostage under the guise that if they don’t then the healthcare issue will be bad. They’re gonna shoot you in the foot because republicans want to shoot you in the arm maybe. That’s what I see

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Anonymous #3 6d

Guise? How is it a guise? Healthcare costs are projected to double on average and republicans refuse to make any promises to prevent that. Where’s the dishonesty in the democratic message?

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Anonymous #2 6d

The dishonesty is saying it’s the republicans fault we’re shut down! If you want to blame republicans for healthcare premiums going up then okay!! But 1. It hasn’t happened yet and 2. They are shutting it down to prevent that. So they are continuously saying that the harm they are doing now is worth it in the long run. Stick to that message and it will be honest. But they want it both ways.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Ah ok, I think our disagreement is just semantics honestly. I would phrase it as the shutdown being republicans fault because to end it bc all they have to do is make an effort to prevent the catastrophic healthcare crisis that will happen if they let subsidies lapse. Letting that happen seems like something that should obviously be prevented at almost any cost. Also their fault bc they’re making the shutdown as painful as they can even though they could make it easier on folks if they weren’t f

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Anonymous #2 6d

Focused on being cruel

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Anonymous #2 6d

That being said mechanically it is the democrats who are refusing to allow that to happen, so technically yes it is the democrats keeping the government closed.

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Anonymous #2 6d

I think it’s sort of impossible to sum it up by saying “it’s democrats fault” or “it’s republicans fault” tho, both fail to convey the nuance here. I don’t wanna settle for saying it’s democrats fault because even though mechanically they are keeping it closed, I don’t think they have another option given the unworkable Republican demands

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