Anonymous #1 3w

You dumbed down your argument so much to make me look like shit but i'll let it slide. I'm not gonna continue this convo with you

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

So no answer. You chose to say that the AfD who has done all those things AND has a member who said he’s the face of the nazis, are not actual nazis Great look for you!

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Anonymous #1 3w

Ah why don't you explain the actual points you made to the audience bud

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Listen if the objective of getting into an argument for you is to make the opposition look like shit it says a lot about who you are and your insecurity's.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Sure! I explained that the Afd is akin to neo nazism. They endorse policies held by the literal nazis They knowingly have members who deny the holocaust numbers/severity One of their members called themselves the face of the nazis And they’ve used slogans that actual nazis used Yes or no, is it at all possible they (the AfD) believe in nazism?

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I also admire how you are posting this to remove the nuance i wrote about from the previous conversation where you stopped replying

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

insecurities***

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

YOU stopped replying lol. I asked you a question you never answered

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Anonymous #1 3w

I did reply bro you been asking and repeating the same shit for like the whole day

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Anonymous #1 3w

The points you brought up were that they are anti gay and used the slogan "everything for germany"

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

You can’t even answer the question I asked you in this thread lol.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

How did i respond?

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

You did not. Where’s your response after I left my comment at the bottom?

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Defending them again lol

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

No response again?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Ah ok i did forget to respond my bad gang. It's probable their are members of a far right facist party that may be nazis but the groups identity doesn't reflect that of the greater nazi party from ww2

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I didn’t ask if it’s probable there are far right members. Yes or no, is it POSSIBLE that the AfD permits all of this and believes the things literal nazis believed because they genuinely value those ideals? That is my question which for some reason you really don’t wanna answer directly

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Anonymous #1 3w

So you changed the goal post to them being nazis to believing things nazis believed. Yeah bro they might believe things nazis agreed on!!!! nobody is saying they don't. But they aren't full nazi

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Yes they are nazis. I stand by that. Nazis today just don’t have the capacity to do what nazis did before. So if it’s possible that they believe these things; what is YOUR evidence to suggest that they’re saying nazi slogans and keeping holocaust deniers in their group for another reason besides nazism?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Because they don't agree with nazism bro... here is an example of what you are saying If i think that woman shouldnt get abortions does that automatically make me a maga republican?

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Anonymous #1 3w

and if i used the slogan make america great again

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

You saying that they don’t agree isn’t evidence. That’s just you saying your opinion. What is your evidence to suggest they don’t? That’s what I’m asking.

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Anonymous #1 3w

radical superiority virulent antisemitism lebensraum dictatorship anti leftism nationalism and militarism eugenics are all key points to nazism

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Also not evidence they do these things because they DONT believe it. Your opinion isn’t relevant when I’m telling you to adhere to reality and provide evidence they do this for the reason YOU claimed.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Oml bro you are getting emotions way to involved rn jus put the phone down. I'm not a nazi nor support nazism take a breath

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

All you have to do is provide actual evidence that you’re right. You telling me your feelings isn’t that. You’re going out of your way to say you can repeat what nazis believe and it’s alright

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Anonymous #1 3w

I never even said that it was alright broski

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I’m back brother where’s that evidence

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Anonymous #1 3w

Evidence ?

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Yeah. You said they just used nazi slogans, kept holocaust deniers, stand on the same positions as nazis did, etc because it got attention and not because they actually believed them. What’s the evidence for that?

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Anonymous #1 3w

Idk if they kept holocaust deniers this is a new point you made today and you mentioned one position they have in common with nazis

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I brought that up last night. That’s not evidence by the way. What evidence makes you believe the contrary that they don’t believe these things

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Anonymous #1 3w

Bro you've not brought evidence either wth...

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

That’s also not evidence lmao. I referenced specific examples of them doing things nazis do/believe. You’re saying that doesn’t make them nazis because they’re just doing it for attention, so prove that they’re only doing it for attention.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

This has to be bait at this point

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Anonymous #1 3w

Your point is hyper opinion based. You are calling a separate party from the nazi party nazis. If we want to break it down to ooga booga language the fact they aren't called nazis makes them infact not a continuation of the nazi party. Also from my research i see they attempt maybe only to seem moral to distance themselves from nazi revisionism. You are very stuck up on evidence but present none of your own. Why would i take the time to find sources for you that you ultimately won't read.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

You've been repeating arguments and points and not even attempting to come to a realization that you could be incorrect. The core part of the post wasn't even about the afd you are clearly just trying to engagement bait.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

and you can act like i'm baiting but you jumped immediately to calling me a sympathizer. critical thinking isn't your strong suit. I don't mean this in a way to attack you but if all your argument focuses on is trying to make the other person look like shit youll realize you are arguing nothing and without reason

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

So to be clear here lol, you’re saying you have this opinion they’re only doing it for this one reason and you don’t actually have any evidence to suggest that to be true? You just made up an entire different motive and you’re acknowledging that you don’t actually have any evidence to base that on.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

It’s not engagement bait. It’s you dismissing the actual things they’ve done and the positions they hold. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to push someone who supposedly isn’t complacent with nazism to acknowledge the blatant attempt at nazism in the modern world.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

If your entire argument hinges on “they didn’t mean it” and you can’t prove that: You are dismissing the things they did that perpetuate nazism.

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Anonymous #1 3w

No i didn't dummy that they don't mean it both your points can be true and it wouldn't make them nazis

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Anonymous #1 3w

Pushing someone to coming to an agreement isn't posting them without context and calling them a nazi bro.... But okay...

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Anonymous #1 3w

Also from what i've looked up most historians tend to agree with nazi being an improper way to name them

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

One more time, does believing the same things nazis believe about marginalized groups, holocaust victims, and their sloganing/policy positions make someone a nazi?

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Anonymous #1 3w

no not really

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

again you are really trying to profit off of dumbing this argument down

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

It’s not dumbing anything down. You can keep pretending it is but you’re only doing that because you keep having to default onto weird half arguments to justify your position that they’re somehow not really doing this stuff cause they don’t believe it

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Anonymous #1 3w

It's not you've brought up ONE thing they agree on AND one action in using a slogan. I honestly could have done an infinitely better job arguing your point for you. But you refuse to look more shit up. How are my arguments half arguments. Part of being a nazi is lowkey identifying yourself as one. You're "argument" is weak asf i'm so tired of arguing with you am actually getting baited bro. You take shit out of context and have no point in posting here other than to start shit cuz ur bored.

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Anonymous #1 3w

and it is dumbing it down when you don't bring up your single point about the lgbtq community and generalizing by saying the same "things" and they used a single slogan which was everything for germany. I'm not saying the group is good or morally just. But if your goal is to get me to agree that they are nazis they aren't i'm sorry but that's just a fact lowkey. You're kinda arguing against google and german law rn.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Do you want all the evidence I actually have? I broke it down to 3 points for YOUR sake. But if you’re being honest about not knowing much about them, then I’m happy to show you legitimate instances of them agreeing with the nazis time and time again intentionally.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I've repeatedly told you i don't know much about them bro. sure bring up more points and evidence if you want. You're probably better off debating with historians and shit tbh.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I’ll show you what I have and I want you to tell me that if you still don’t think they’re nazis, alright?

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Anonymous #1 3w

why didn't you start with this 😭

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I didn’t think I had to because it’s blatantly obvious that knowingly using nazi slogans is something nazis would do. You agree, right? You’re up for that?

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Anonymous #1 3w

From what i found they only used the one. I wouldn't say that makes you a nazi tho. It's just really weird

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Oh my christ, are you going to engage genuinely if I show you everything or not

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Anonymous #1 3w

bro go ahead

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Great

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Not highlighted but “calling the holocaust memorial a monument of shame”

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

The slogan thing happened again after being told and being charged for knowingly using slogans used by the nazis by the way

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Not all of it but it’s a lot to read so let’s start here

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Anonymous #1 3w

Can we start with the one from the AJC the other two i already read about and we kinda touched we can talk about the fourth one after?

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Yeah one at a time

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Anonymous #1 3w

So i think it's important to consider the source. From what i've read they actually have a group of jews in the AFD called the "jAFD". Now the official stance of the party is they will protect jews from an islamic state. However i also see some members may appose jews as there has been some news that they are against kosher slaughter which could be seen as revoking religious freedoms.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

What does that have to do with the specific claims made in the article?

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Anonymous #1 3w

the nazi party didn't have anywhere close to this kind of nuance in how they dealt with jews.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I agree the statement the guy made is problematic but they don't seem as antisemtic as the article would make it out to be.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

they seem to be far more anti islam

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

When I say nazi, I mean someone who agrees with nazism and tenants of nazism. Why is the statement problematic?

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Anonymous #1 3w

No not your statement the leader calling the monument shameful

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I know. I’m asking why is THAT problematic. Tell me the reasoning why.

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Anonymous #1 3w

I think it's really important to make a distinction between being a full nazi or not even if these people are pos.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Ah because it can come off as him saying that germans shouldn't continue feeling shameful towards these events

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

What way do you think he meant it?

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Anonymous #1 3w

I'm not the guy. Many people in our own country feel like we teach children too much about americas problematic past (this isn't exactly the same i admit) but it's problematic for the same reasons

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

What way do YOU think he meant it to call a holocaust memorial, emerging victims of the nazis, shameful. And being the same guy who mentions how Germans should not have guilt over the past/rewriting some of how German history is taught.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Before i respond is he a revisionist himself?

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I don’t know exactly. But what do you think he meant when he did that (calling remembering holocaust victims shameful), and would later go on to call for germans to stop using guilt over the past/rewriting german history

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Anonymous #1 3w

i think telling people to not feel guilty isn't rewriting history.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

You left out the part where calls the remembering of holocaust victims shameful. You’re not answering. What do you personally think he meant by that?

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Anonymous #1 3w

I just wanna ask this question to see how you feel. Do you think current white americans should continue feeling guilty for what their ancestors did to slaves?

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I’ll answer once you do

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Anonymous #1 3w

Wait ignore what i just wrote

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Anonymous #1 3w

I don't see where he said that

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I’m paraphrasing so I don’t have to type out the full thing. Calling a holocaust memorial, a monument of shame. Calling the memorial shameful. And you could pretend he’s talking about the nazis but he never mentioned them, and this is the same guy who was charged with using the slogan, was told what they meant; and used them again. He’s also on record said things that echo the same phrasing nazis used including terms like "racial suicide" and "temperate brutality".

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Anonymous #1 3w

No no i'm not arguing that i think he is saying there is a sense of unnecessary guilt the german people have. and what was the context of the two quotes

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

and maybe he is saying that in the way you are implying but why would they allow jews to not only join their party but create their own subgroup inside of it if this is the case

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Sure, okay. What evidence do you have to suggest that’s what he was saying? Knowing that those are things he’s done before and after, why is your conclusion more likely than mine?

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Anonymous #1 3w

It seems like the party is more tailored to attempt to garner support from jews rather then spread hate about them as they are pro israel

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

the nazis viewed jews as demonic and malicious they never would let them into their party

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

No. I’m talking about this person. What evidence do you have to suggest he meant what you said, and not what I said? Based on the fact that those are his surrounding actions and statements. Earlier you complained I didn’t show you any evidence. Now I’m asking you to give me evidence that I’m wrong in making this claim.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Alright lemme formulate this in a coherent paragraph. It kind of goes against his party's ideology to mean it in the way you are saying. They aren't (openly) antisemitic and claim to want to protect them. I'd honestly argue they treat muslims in more of the way nazis did jews.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

wolfgang fuhl a jewish member talked to npr about it

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

So because of a curated public appearance it can’t possibly mean what I’m saying?

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Anonymous #1 3w

also yeah they let them fight but never vote or sit at the table with them bro

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Anonymous #1 3w

That's what politics are. A party's identity is its public appearance. One or even a few members personal digression doesn't define the party's views the party itself defines the views

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Why isn’t it possible that he’s saying this and doing these things because HE is antisemitic/nazi?

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Anonymous #1 3w

He could be antisemitic.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

But he can’t be a nazi ideologically speaking?

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Anonymous #1 3w

This is tough as it's for him personally. Idk he could be himself a nazi.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

Okay. Do you have evidence to suggest he personally meant it any other way, knowing the surrounding context of his other actions/claims?

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Anonymous #1 3w

You're kinda ignoring my point. But i'd argue him being a member of a group that invites jews in is inherently not very nazi of him.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

You’re ignoring mine when you deliberately don’t answer me. That has nothing to do with what I just asked. Please answer that.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

The evidence i bring up ultimately has the same weight as yours. It's really a toss up only he knows what he meant. Unless he later defined it further.

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Anonymous #1 3w

That is evidence bro

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

I’m talking about the comments. Do you have evidence to suggest he meant those specific comments in the way you claimed. It’s really simple to answer bro. Yes you do or no you don’t.

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Anonymous #1 3w

Bro the context is evidence. You can't tell dictation either way. There isn't solid evidence either of us could have to prove dictation.

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

So no you don’t. Right? It’s fine if not but I shouldn’t hav to pry a direct answer out of you

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Anonymous troybolton12 3w

In my opinion this is a weak argument that is allowing you to ignore the fact you generally called the whole party nazis. Even with the JAFD existing and their pro isreal claims. This guys meaning in a quote is important sure. And maybe he is antisemitic. but it's a little off topic don't you think

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Anonymous #1 3w

The answer i gave was direct

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