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Genuinely so tired of having to hear about what the Bible says in political contexts. Your religion shouldn’t hold any weight in passing legislation. Government and religion should be entirely separate.

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Anonymous 22h

i looooooove when that happens bc it just verifies that they get all their morals from a book with child sex slavery and infanticide. which is usually met with some “oh old testament isn’t legit anymore” and that further proves they haven’t even READ the bible… 😂

Anonymous 18h

Christians in this comment section just proving their superiority complex, holy shit. I’m religious myself (not Christian) but I would never tie subjective beliefs to the way my fucking government runs

Anonymous 10h

Well, people's beliefs are going to inform their morality and their politics. But no we shouldn't use any one sect's unique or parochial religious views as the basis for public policy affecting everyone. I think Habermas says you the person needs a medium of translation, like,when you enter the public square you need to be able to articulate your moral convictions in terms that are universally applicable.

Anonymous 21h

The 10 commandments of every major abrahamic religion are the foundation of civil stability. If you want to live in a place that disregards them, go there, see how “civil” people are.

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Anonymous 22h

When you’re legislating morality government and religion are entirely inseparable

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Anonymous

#2 21h

why do you need religion to teach you morality? do you need a man in the sky to tell you killing people for being gay and stoning women to death is wrong?

Anonymous

broken_smoke_alarm 21h

We shouldn’t legislate morality. That’s what we learned from Prohibition

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Anonymous

#2 21h

morality exists outside of religion lol.

Anonymous

miamorcito 21h

You don’t have objective morality

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Anonymous

#2 21h

Anonymous

#4 21h

it makes zero sense to legislate anything on the basis of “ensuring moral purity”. public safety, sure, but not on moral purity. amphetamines, for instance, should be illegal. not because they’re “ungodly” but because they’re not safe for just anybody to take, you need to have a good reason.

Anonymous

#8 21h

China, Korea, Japan, are all pretty fucking developed and quite civil compared to us. There’s been minimal influence of Christianity on Eastern Asia compared to the rest of the world. You’re just a xenophobic racist actually.

Anonymous

#8 21h

Idk why you’re saying “every major abrahamic” when the Middle East and Northern Africa are awful examples

Anonymous

#6 21h

ah yes but the invisible man in the sky does excellent argument 10 social credit for you

Anonymous

#4 21h

Fucking brainlet lmao. That is not what the US learned from prohibition, what the US learned from prohibition is a firsthand example of the Streisand effect, and that illegality makes illegal substances stronger. Which we then promptly forgot when it came to weed.

Anonymous

#9 21h

fucking preach. i understand regulating recreational marijuana, that makes perfect sense. i don’t want kids smoking kush in the same way i wouldn’t want them drinking. outright banning it literally only makes people, especially impressionable young children, desire it more. BARE MINIMUM it should be federally legal for medical purposes.

Anonymous

#6 21h

A lot of the Middle East *was* quite developed until religious extremists (of an abrahamic religion) took house.

Anonymous

broken_smoke_alarm 21h

He does. And Christ claim to proclaim it when He founded His Church

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Anonymous

#6 21h

If Christianity was a good basis for policy, there never would have been an American Revolution

Anonymous

#9 21h

Just say Jews bro, also yeah maybe slightly “developed” but still full of pedophilia

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Anonymous

broken_smoke_alarm 21h

Agreed. I’m moreso referring to the fact that THC levels in weed have risen astronomically since its popularization in the 60s, and even what our parents were smoking in the 80s and 90s. It’s the same effect prohibition had, turning beer drinkers to moonshine and hard liquor because it was easier to hide store and ship for the same level of intoxication.

Anonymous

#4 21h

Elaborate?

Anonymous

#6 21h

And what if I think your god is fake and/or blasphemous and I don’t give a shit? I just suddenly think murder is cool?

Anonymous

#6 21h

The fall of absolute monarchy in Europe - including the revolution against George III which took place in this country - would not have happened if, as those rulers had claimed, God backed their policy.

Anonymous

#9 21h

Obviously not, understanding murder is abhorrent derives directly from Christian morality

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Anonymous

#4 21h

If we mean like the founding fathers, they were all Protestants or deists that don’t follow Christian teaching nearly as much

Anonymous

#4 21h

This is a nothingburger Reddit atheist argument dude come on. “Erm, well if god was real, he would’ve quelled the rebellion!” No dude, people can claim god’s will and be wrong. Any well read Christian you said this to would laugh at you. I know this despite being one. Do a crumb of reading on viewpoints that oppose yours.

Anonymous

#9 21h

Despite *NOT* being one.

Anonymous

#6 21h

Citation needed lmfaoooo

Anonymous

#9 21h

If God didn’t back their policy, who says he’s backing yours? In my opinion, modern conservatism is full of much more devilry than any leftist movement ever was.

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Anonymous

#4 21h

Backing mine? Conservative?? Tf??? Nah you can’t even read I’m done talking to you lol

Anonymous

#9 21h

You want a source for why this is the case?

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Anonymous

#9 21h

Oh, I was responding to #6.

Anonymous

#6 21h

You’re a fucking moron dude. Look at pictures of Iran in the 80s. Look at pictures of Mogadishu pre-war. Also never reproduce, spare the world, you are *that* brainless. I was referring to Muslim extremists, by the way. Not zionists. Their bullshit was localized to Palestine until recently.

Anonymous

#4 21h

Aight 🤷‍♂️

Anonymous

#9 21h

Iran I’ll give you. Literally all of the significant parts of Mogadishu were built by the Italians though. Also chill dude

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Anonymous

#6 20h

Anybody who claims to know God’s will is wrong. Conservatives claim that their policies are God’s will, just like monarchists and feudalists and islamic fundamentalists. People who believe that religion is a sound basis for policy ought to look over the history of the 30 years war.

Anonymous

#4 20h

Millions and millions dead, all in the name of the love of their neighbor! Babies dashed from the walls of towns! Entire communities put to the sword! Peasants’ homes burnt to the ground for fear of heretics hiding in their villages. Would a loving God - who backed the policies of a people He has claimed as his own - ever visit the plague upon that people?

Anonymous

#6 20h

You can read, dude. Are you a young earth creationist or something? Or do you GENUINELY believe that in in the year 0, nobody saw a problem with murder? Also also, the Ten Commandments came before Jesus!! They’re in the Old Testament you absolute dumbass. “Thou shalt not kill” mean nothing to you??

Anonymous

#6 20h

Objectively untrue, you’re thinking of one specific area. Italians also have a rich history of religion pre-Abraham so like actually shut up. No dude, YOU stop playing morality police.

Anonymous

#9 20h

Holy bro😭😭. No I’ve never met a young earth creationist chill tf out. While yes, lots of people pre 10 commandments saw issue with murder, since its ban it’s been so heavily reinforced in Christian nations for almost 2000 years, this is especially apparent in western society. Also literally every single Christian knows the 10 commandments are from Moses, which is centuries prior, idk why you’re making random assumptions

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Anonymous

#2 20h

Well said #2.

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Anonymous

#8 20h

No it wasn’t go home bruh

Anonymous

#9 20h

No.

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Anonymous

#8 20h

Aight then sit in the cuck chair and watch. Up to you 🤷‍♂️

Anonymous

#9 20h

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Anonymous

#8 20h

Too late :(

Anonymous

#9 20h

They blocked me. Absolutely legendary. #6, I hope god jerks your little penor for you 🥰

Anonymous

#4 19h

God states his will several times via the tabernacle and prophets. Then you test people’s actions through time and compare it, then see what the consequences were/are.

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Anonymous

#6 19h

you derive morality from faith and assume the objectivity of those morals without proof.

Anonymous

#6 18h

Oh shut the fuck up you absolute moron, people have known murder is wrong FAR before Christianity

Anonymous

#10 18h

Coward.

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Anonymous

#8 18h

I’m just gonna drop a quick “The King James Bible was censored to quell rebellions” and take my leave.

Anonymous

#8 18h

What’s cowardly, you asshole?

Anonymous

#10 18h

Your religious beliefs are subjective? Do you really believe then?

Anonymous

#8 17h

yes thats what makes them a belief man.

Anonymous

#7 17h

That is why you will lose. Not only have you chosen what to believe foolishly, you don’t even embody what you believe. I may as well be speaking into a drained coconut. 🥥

Anonymous

#8 17h

Could be worse. You could be speaking to a graven image of a dead man.

Anonymous

#8 17h

well *I* dont believe, not that it matters when im talking to some cornball that talks like a 13 year old who thinks hes in a tiktok edit you have a *belief*, and that is subjective. you *believe* that your religion is objective. that in itself is subjective. like by the very definition of the word subjective, both are.

Anonymous

#8 17h

i mean ffs you talk like a boy who has this as his pfp on all socials

Anonymous

#8 11h

The vast majority of beliefs are subjective you dumb fuck I’m not mentally ill enough to believe I should be able to dictate how other people live their lives