Anonymous #3 4w

I agree. My issue is with the way the farm animals are treated in many cases, which seems excessively cruel and most likely also makes them less tasty and nutritious for us.

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Anonymous #3 4w

cows don’t produce milk, mothers do. milk is a byproduct of the systemic rape of cattle

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Anonymous justinian 4w

I can see that, I definitely try to buy local when possible

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

ok ok now THATS a stupid take right there. Also unrelated but you are a capitalist porky and don’t support improving conditions for working peoples.

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

“Cow” is literally the term for a mature bovine thats had at least one calf

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Anonymous #4 4w

Someone give me the tea on what orangutan is saying please 😭

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Anonymous justinian 4w

mammals lactate when ?

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Anonymous justinian 4w

that is literally what the dairy industry is, i’m sorry you don’t understand biology

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

I mean factory dairy farming i agree it’s very abusive and I don’t support factory farming period. Many smaller/family owned dairy farmers usually just turn a bull loose to naturally cover the cows.

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Anonymous #4 4w

He is somehow wayyy too per formatively woke, but at the same time (puzzlingly) doesn’t support helping working class people and sides with billionaire CEOs. Its like he is ridiculously clownishly woke on some issues but is a hardline mecha-capitalist at the same time.

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Anonymous justinian 4w

???

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Anonymous justinian 4w

WHAT LMFAOOOOO this is shocking. How’s he siding with CEOs?

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Anonymous justinian 4w

LOL is this because of your dumbass nativism bit?

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Bernie is a nativist, no migrant workers do not drive wages down, capitalists do. you solve that by eradicating capitalists, not taxing them or restricting human migration

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Anonymous #4 4w

Yea his belief system is really puzzling

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Anonymous #4 4w

i never did lol

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Anonymous justinian 4w

yeah, i’m convinced you’re a fucking idiot

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

ok that might have been your one based take tbh. The way Bernie talks about immigration rubs me the wrong way

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Anonymous thereal._.ruckus 4w

Yeah modern dairy cows produce for about 10 months before their dry period which is like 2? Months

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

y’all’s hate is beyond forced

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Thanks for showing the class my based and correct post!

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Anonymous #3 4w

Very easily manageable on small to medium sized farms without artificial insemination

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Anonymous #3 4w

Something like that

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Anonymous #4 4w

as it should. he’s a useless social democrat who steers working class support back into the Democratic party, who he isn’t even a part of

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

and morons will say i’m bought by the owning class, defending representatives who cannot even recognize the genocide in Palestine for what it is, while not even being on AIPAC’s payroll. bro is a grifter just for the love of the game

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Bernie is more responsible for mainstreaming leftist ideas in the United States than any other single person in the 21st century. Plus he is just correct in pointing out how capitalists use desperate refugees as a blunt weapon against working class people already inside the US, by driving down wages. You know who else pointed that out? Marx! Marx wrote about the British aristocracy using the Irish to undercut British workers.

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

How does an increase in the number of available workers (regardless of origin) not decrease wages due to supply and demand, especially at the entry level? Can you prove that the increase in demand of goods from population growth balances that out?

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Everyone is equal and nativism is cringe and evil but you’re genuinely just wrong about how the owner class cynically pits workers against workers to stay in power. You know what would solve this? Force immigrants to work for the same pay as everyone else.

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Anonymous #4 4w

i’m gonna blow your mind, but not only are wages detached from supply and demand dynamics (we literally have a minimum wage), but capitalists exploiting sub minimum wages exchanged to the most exploited and most marginalized workers is not the fault of the worker, therefore the worker should not be punished with incarceration or deportation, like the nativist morons want, rather the capitalist who exploits the marginalized should be punished. take their property!

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Anonymous justinian 4w

The CEO class has a vested interest in making you hate other groups of working class people and they want us constantly bickering and blaming each other. It pains me how you take their bate so fast. Blame the tech billionaires, not Bernie Sanders

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Your explanation for why it’s detached is simply that a minimum wage exists? I’m confused

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Capitalists don’t pay immigrants the minimum wage, thats literally the entire point!!!! PLEASE I HAVE TO BELIEVE YOU ARE SMARTER THAN THIS PLEASE!

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Anonymous #4 4w

i’m not saying why it’s detached. i’m saying that it is detached, and used the minimum wage to clarify this. i don’t need to engage with your question because wages are not tied to supply and demand, they are not even tied to productivity

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Anonymous justinian 4w

are you able to read?

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

“I don’t need to engage with your question”

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Ok, so *why* is it detached? Why are wages not subject to the laws of supply and demand?

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Anonymous justinian 4w

because their question doesn’t make sense. wages are not tied to supply and demand, hence why i don’t feel the need to prove it

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Anonymous justinian 4w

can you please engage in good faith?

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Anonymous #4 4w

because wages are the minimum socially accepted value exchanged for labor. they do not adhere to productivity or supply and demand dynamics. the fact that wages do not rise in periods of labor shortages suggests this, and is why things like the minimum wage were introduced in the first place

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

I would engage in better faith if you weren’t so confidently spreading pseudoscience. You’re essentially on the same level as a flat Earther right now.

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Anonymous justinian 4w

what pseudoscience?

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

please 🙏

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Anonymous #3 4w

sorry, artificial insemination, not rape. let me not dwell on the “pseudoscience” jfc

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

This is just misinformation

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its not correct

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

y’all have higher expectations for me than y’all’s elected representatives 😭😭😭 i should have stayed away from this place

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Anonymous justinian 4w

oh 💀

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Anonymous justinian 4w

misinformation and i’m trying to paraphrase marx

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Obviously wages are subject to supply and demand dynamics. America is wonky because capital is so deeply embedded in our system, but even so, labor shortages do tend to push up wages. If you look at every other time period and region, you can see it more clearly. The Black Death caused a labor shortage so severe it ended up creating a new middle class out of basically thin air because lords had to pay workers dramatically more.

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Bro came in trying to talk about the dairy industry and didn’t even know the terminology for cow

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Anonymous justinian 4w

we live in capitalism, not feudalism. wage relations are completely different now, nor was i using present wage relations to describe the past

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

this is the scientific part of history, recognizing that the conditions are ever changing and evolving. yes, i am aware of how wage relations shifted once the old guild systems were dismantled as capitalists shifted production to new cities that they amassed

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

it doesn’t matter, the basic laws of economics still apply

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

the part being that we live in the present, and Marx was describing the present (at his time) when he described the relationship to wages i mentioned above. if you look at our modern data, you can visibly see the divorce between productivity and wages, and supply and wages

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Anonymous justinian 4w

those laws change…. ? history, politics, and economy changes… the point is not to understand them, but consciously change them

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

So it seems like low unemployment drove up wages among low-wage workers as recently as 4 years ago

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

The laws of economics change?

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

pre-1970, the data suggests that wages and productivity were coordinated. maybe that was the answer #4 was looking for, or at least a start

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Anonymous #4 4w

yes

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Anonymous #4 4w

low unemployment drove wages up? doesn’t that also contest your supply and demand thing? if unemployment was high, wages should rise, if low, they should fall

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Weren’t we talking about worker demand, not productivity?

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Wages are totally disconnected from productivity, wages are connected to how badly an owner wants workers (demand) and how many workers are available (supply)

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Low unemployment means the pool of workers available and looking for work is low, meaning you need to raise wages if you want to pull people who are currently not looking for work into the labor market

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Anonymous justinian 4w

then why is there a minimum wage? if wages rise when unemployment increases, then a minimum would not be necessary

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Anonymous #4 4w

yeah, i suggested that it wasn’t tied to demand

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Because the minimum wage still protects people in a scenario where only one employer dominates a certain market and they can drive wages down, or employers collude to pay everyone less

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Anonymous #4 4w

The minimum wage is simply a price floor

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Minimum wages are here to protect people when there is too big of a labor supply

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Anonymous justinian 4w

i like the price floor analysis better

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

it’s also why it was historically pursued by ford

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I assume that’s what he meant. That all immigrants would be paid like their citizen/green card peers

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Orangutan believes that immigrants don’t drive down wages for anyone for some reason

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I think if it depresses the wages for any segment of the population, that’s something that should be recognized, not dismissed with something like “wages are detached from supply and demand” with almost no further explanation

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Anonymous #3 4w

a cow is a mature female, a bull a mature male. it has nothing to do with how many offspring the animal has had. you don’t call a woman a woman because she has had children. what differentiates a girl/boy from a woman/man, or a calf from a cow/bull is maturity

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

same for other animals, like elephants. it has nothing to do with the systemic rape vs. systemic slaughter of the anima based on the commodity they produce. my thing is, i don’t see how y’all don’t see the connection between animal exploitation and human exploitation, given that we are animals after all

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

In the cattle industry(both ranching for beef and farming milk) cattle aren’t considered a cow until she’s had at least one calf. Until she’s had a calf she’s called a heifer. Obviously in regular conversation we just call them cows(sometimes even regardless of sex).

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