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Should there be a minimum intelligence requirement for voting?
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Anonymous 3d

Any time a literacy test has been instituted for voting in the U.S. it has been exploited to remove the voting rights of whatever community those giving the tests are prejudiced against

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Anonymous 3d

No. I get it people are stupid but along with intelligence not being measurable that is so easy to manipulate and control it would be incredibly corrupt. Like how do you determine intelligence

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Anonymous 3d

In all honesty while they would make sense, we can’t. The is no ethical way to enforce that without allowing people to be targeted and abuse power

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Anonymous 3d

how do you judge intelligence

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Anonymous replying to -> nopeish 3d

Multiple choice questions

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

so would that not make it so there’s right answers and wrong answers with no room for nuance or explanation?

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Anonymous replying to -> nopeish 3d

Just design the questions smartly. Like any other exam

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3d

That’s because the US has been super racist in history. But I don’t think me and you are racist

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

I agree with this, it’s one of those things that has historically been implemented for nefarious reasons but at its core can be implemented fairly by people with the right reasons

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

I don’t think there’s any way to create a standardized intelligence test that won’t both be vulnerable to exploitation and bias and won’t disproportionately harm historically oppressed communities (which usually have less education access, may speak a different dialect of English, or may not speak English at all).

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3d

You don’t need to speak English to be intelligent

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

You certainly don’t need to speak English to be intelligent, but the fair application of an intelligence test would either require someone to be able to take it in English to the same level as a native English speaker, or would require an availability of tests and test-givers in other languages that could provide the same quality and standards as the English-language tests, which would be difficult.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3d

Think about how much harder it would be to create and provide Tagalog-language tests while applying the same standard as an English-language test. There’s also just no really good way to test overall intelligence, and intelligence in math or literature doesn’t mean someone is politically competent.

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

Haven’t you heard the expression that a fish would look stupid if asked how to climb a tree?

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

And who designs these questions?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3d

Yes you can just have a test in every language that way it’s fair. You can work around the things you mentioned

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3d

You can

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

Our country is still very racist and I don’t trust the people in our government to not be racist

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

It would be extremely difficult to provide tests in every language a US citizen might speak to the same standard as English language tests. There’s also no reason that the kind of intelligence that could be tested on a sheet of paper would correlate to someone being politically intelligent. Someone could be good at math or know a lot about books and be extremely gullible.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3d

We already see how students from disadvantaged areas score worse on standardized tests in schools. The use of a standardized test to decide on voting would further marginalize those areas and make them politically irrelevant.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3d

The founding fathers of the United States essentially put their own intelligence test for voting. But because of their existing biases, that meant they limited voting to wealthy people, disenfranchising the poor. You can’t escape the biases of the time.

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

I can what? Design the questions?

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 3d

Just do them for 99.99% of languages here and fill in the gaps afterward. We shouldn’t be afraid to move forward because it’s not perfect the right way

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 3d

Yes

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

So then what do the people considered too stupid to vote just not get representation at all?… considering how big of a factor wealth plays into education how exactly do you plan to account for that?…

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Anonymous replying to -> landtrust 3d

But I can’t, that’s not something that any one person should do. You need to realize that what you’re essentially doing is (and I apologize for this sounding repetitive) a major part of fascism. Making a certain group of people non-citizens?…

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 2d

They get to reap the benefits of a government making intelligent decisions

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 2d

Why can’t you? Changes being made should have input by the people it effects

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Anonymous replying to -> #5 2d

I didn’t say they shouldn’t be citizens

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