
Both can be true. This isn’t black and white. It can be true that antisemitism has increased over the last two years AND a man with Palestinian ancestry risked his life to prevent the killing of more Jews. This should teach us that we should be able to put aside our differences to help our communities out when they’re in danger. The fact that a Palestinian man even showed up to a celebration of a Jewish holiday to celebrate with his fellow human beings is wonderful.
I know that there was a rise of antisemitism, but I blame the Israeli state more than the pro-Palestinians. The awful terror attacks against the Israeli people are being fueled by the genocidal actions of their very government. Being Palestinian isn’t antisemitic more than being Jewish is Islamophobic.
First of all, “Being Palestinian and Antisemitic” and “Being Jewish and Islamophobic” are totally irrelevant to this conversation. Second of all, the reason why there is a war right now is because of October 7. Hamas came in and relentlessly murdered 1300 people. The next day, people at my university CELEBRATED this. Imagine a world without October 7. Antisemitism would not be at levels like these.
Additionally, on multiple occasions, I have asked people who are angry what an appropriate action by Israel would’ve been in response to 10/7. I have never gotten a full response. I invite you to tell me what you think Israel should’ve done when their people were attacked by a group that has called for the genocide of Jews globally.
History did not begin on October 7th 2023. All events, no matter how horrific, have a cause. The terror attacks against the Israeli citizenry occur because there are many Palestinian people who live in a bombed out community who know people who were killed by the Israeli government and who were denied food and water by such government. It’s these conditions that lead to people turning to terrorism.
The Israeli government should fight Hamas in more careful and direct ways than they are currently doing. The Palestinian people should not be seen as the enemy, but more victims of the hate and terror that Hamas spreads. They should build up the infrastructure and help the Palestinian people to turn them against Hamas. Terrorist groups don’t thrive in places where the group that they are supposed to hate is giving them their necessities and autonomy.
I never said that history began on 10/7. What I said is that it is the reason for the current spike in antisemitism over the last two years. You mention “careful and direct.” What does that look like in practice? You also mention “turning them against Hamas” but how do you envision that happening while Hamas maintains control through repression, propaganda, and the targeting of dissent?
Israel has issued evacuation warnings, designated humanitarian corridors, and allowed aid into Gaza, which are extremely rare in modern warfare, especially against a non-state actor embedded among civilians. Even critics acknowledge that these steps are not standard for countries at war. I’m not asking these questions rhetorically. I’m trying to understand what a realistic alternative would be.
But when your first question about a candidate is “do they support Israel” instead of “do they support reproductive rights, gun safety measures, environmental protections, equal access to healthcare,” etc., do you not see any issue with that? This is the mindset that may have lost us the election last year and hurt us at home in the end, all the while making the situation in Gaza worse.
It was election was fucked either way since if Trump lost, we’d have the same administration that funded the height of the genocide. And no, I don’t see the issue with the first question being “do they support Israel” because supporting Israel means supporting genocide. And if we’re even too laxed on preventing and holding people/countries accountable for genocide, politicians can get away with literally anything. If even 1 country can get away with genocide, anyone can and morality is useless..
here’s the thing tho: israel has one of the most technologically advanced militaries in the world. i wholeheartedly believe they have the capability to locate hamas within gaza without killing thousands of people. but instead they chose not to and bomb gaza with reckless abandon. it is also INCREDIBLY difficult for palestinians to enter israel through israeli checkpoints. they’ve given gazans “warnings” for bombings but they literally have no where to go.
I don’t agree that “supporting Israel = supporting genocide.” That framing collapses all distinction between governments, policies, civilians, and Jews, and it shuts down any serious discussion about accountability or alternatives. Genocide is a specific legal term with an intent standard, not a moral shortcut to end debate. If this is really your view, then I don’t think there is space for good-faith policy discussion, nor is it productive to continue this conversation.
Being technologically advanced doesn’t eliminate the realities of urban warfare against a group that embeds itself among civilians and uses tunnels, hospitals, and homes. There is no realistic scenario where Hamas is dismantled after 10/7 with zero large-scale military action. Civilian suffering is tragic and real, but saying Israel had “no reason besides Hamas existing” ignores both Hamas’s attack and the constraints of fighting a non-state actor that intentionally fights this way.
Lemme apologize since i didn’t make my position more clear early on: I seek the complete dismantling of Israel as a nation, being one of the last settler-colonial apartheid ethnostates in the world. We shouldn’t have ethnostates or apartheid states in 2025, so if we can get rid of them, then let’s do it. Hundreds of other marginalized groups don’t have ethnostates, and this is a good thing. It forces people to accept others’ identities and work towards serious political/social/economic progress.
Thank you for opening up, but I think your mindset is very, very wrong. I’ll leave you with one more question and I really want you to think about it: Do you think, historically, that forcing Jews to rely on others accepting their identity and “working toward progress” has actually worked?
You can say the same for nearly any other marginalized group. Trans people, Muslims, Sikhs, gay people, Hispanics, Africans, women, immigrants, the disabled, the elderly, Asians, Native Americans, the working class, the homeless, etc. Why should *non-orthodox European jews* get some sort of special priority and privilege over these other groups if not for the purpose of the US having a presence in the Middle East for whatever reason (usually to extract resources from the people that live there)?
Jewish self-determination isn’t a “special privilege” granted at the expense of other marginalized groups. It emerged because Jews were repeatedly persecuted as a people with no sovereign protection, including in societies that promised pluralism. Pointing that out isn’t asking for priority, it’s acknowledging history. Reducing Israel to a US proxy or “European Jews” erases both Jewish diversity and Jewish agency, and that’s where this framing loses me. Happy Hanukkah 🕎
i’m jewish and i think you honestly need to start thinking about this in the perspective of any other minority. no other minority in this country is asking for a country all to themselves to justify their oppression. many other people were forcibly removed from their ancestors homeland but you don’t see a majority movement of them demanding to return there. why? because they’ve made communities and ties here that brings them together.