
How to go about it (socialism, democratic socialism, social democracy, etc etc etc); but again it seems like you operate under this assumption that no matter what everything is just owned by this boogeyman of *the state*, where is that idea coming from if not some fear deriving from capitalist tendencies at their worst?
Socialism), and meanwhile all those attempts were going on they were forced to coexist within a capitalist world; two sociopolitical systems coexisting that are not capable of coexisting. Communism is meant to replace capitalism as a natural successor once the flaws of capitalism have become too overpowering
Nation and attempt that doesn’t even represent the majority of communist or communist theory, the USSR is mostly seen as an authoritarian-leaning/authoritarian attempt at transition (there are entire branches based on the type/method for transitioning to communism as well!! Many of us disagree on the method, for example I can’t stand the USSR’s take due to the authoritarianism.)
American nations that had military coups, El Salvador, Venezuela, Cuba, etc. There have been plenty of attempts to elect genuine leftists, communists or socialists even; but the US military always intervenes and they ensure that our fellow citizens are raised with the exact mentality you have. Communism = commies = USSR = china = bad *with no further thought on the matter*
Loyalty to the USSR, and it only prevents you from seeing the bigger picture, being what the fuck we’re actually talking about when we say communism (because you seemingly jump back to the fucking 1970s or some shit in your head) With all due respect, take a while and read some actual books on communism, like the communist manifesto or das kapital, to see what’s actually being discussed when we talk about communism. I promise you that no one is advocating for stalinism.
Well that can technically be a part of it but its not the end goal of the ideology. Communism usually involves the state taking control of all or most institutions to nationalize them. This would involve for sure the police and military, which being servants of the state gives them rights to essentially do whatever they need to do to secure the state. If entering your home to search your property is part of that, then it would happen. Not saying this doesn’t happen in other systems though.
Dude, you’re monitored *here* by the NSA and CIA for critiquing our government, its officials, and allies. You keep saying this shit, but everything you’ve said has been things that WE ARE GUILTY OF. Hell, the NSA has a digital map of the entire internet where all connections are mapped out and logged, so they can track connections between individuals and their devices; it’s rumored that they can type in your email, phone number, etc, and have an instant list of every device you’ve owned,
As well as every single person you’ve connected with over the internet. Ever since 9/11 and the passing of the patriot act, *we* have been the ones spied on by a *secret police* in their government, meanwhile our government deflects blame by saying that other people are doing that to their citizens. It’s fucking laughable and insane.
Nice deflection as you *drag* that goal post halfway across the field. As I’ve repeatedly said, you’re the dipshit with an obsession on USSR Stalinism. It’s funny you seem to care about “secret policy spying on citizens” until the conversation is about the US’s not-so-secret policy that openly spies on its citizens? You see how you have to create fantasies and boogeymen, meanwhile I can just reference the actions of our actual nation? Is that why you have to fixate on the USSR so much?
Don’t talk about logical fallacies *dipshit* ;) when you’ve done nothing but move the goalposts, engage in anti-intellectualism, and dishonestly twist my framing. How many more “actual facts” do you need, want me to print out a list of different communist ideologies and their relations; or is that too complex and baby can’t see past the word “communism” because it’s too scawy?
Lmao whatever you say pookie, I’ll remember that next time I’m thinking about the various genocides that were committed, and are being committed, under and in the name of capitalism. How disingenuous and malicious can you actually be. Well, either that or you’re just that arrogant in your stupidity
Literally no one would you utter imbecile, but we have DHS and ICE here as an ‘MERICA version ;) Do you know what the red scare is dude lmao, it goes hand in hand with how we discussed US propaganda earlier. The intense fear of communism being fueled by capitalist western nations during the Cold War. The red scare is the exact reason you have beliefs such as those. It was the origin of this type of ideology about communism, that the USSR represents communism itself and that it’s something to
Dude why can’t you realize that you’re fighting the wrong people. You’re out here acting as if I give a fuck about the USSR or Russia like you’re so fucking biased against communism (without even knowing what it is) it’s fucking insane. You have actual fascists in government right now, and your worry is the people who want to take away power and money from the billionaires WHO PAID TO BRING IN THE FASCISTS. You’re complaining about a branch of authoritarian communism that is near completely
Disavowed by most modern communists; unless you just think that people and ideas are incapable of growing over time. Like I can’t comprehend your views, or how to explain communism to you. The USSR is gone, and so is the branches of communism that existed with it (aside from some fringe groups that may still ascribe to them). You’re taking out your plight with Stalinism and Marxist-Leninism (mostly Stalinism though based on your rhetoric) on people and ideologies who have no connection or
No I’m not advocating for communism, nor do I advocate for more men with guns. I don’t believe any government is just or correct. Like I said, I’m more admirable of the people who fought against authority rather than those who impose it. Maybe you could learn a thing or two if you read some resistance literature, Bobby sands, or literally anything other than Marx and Engels or some other communists who’s just gonna jerk you off and not argue at all.
Holy fucking shit. This is what I mean when I say you’re ignorant and arrogant. Communism is not a government system, nor is it an authority structure. You’re going to latch on to the USSR for dear life, and I’m done trying to teach you. Stalinism, is not the entirety of communism, and I don’t know what it will take for you to admit that you’re not as informed as you insist you are (despite not knowing anything about communism except the single attempt that occurred within the USSR)
Keep deflecting, and redirecting everything I say; but your issue is with authoritarianism, not communism specifically) despite your incessant persistence. Hence why most of your examples applied to the United States as well. Maybe just, idk, grow up a little? Until then, have a good day but I’m done with this pointless ass convo.