Anonymous justinian 6d

like my Dad who voted 100% blue the last 3 cycles

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Anonymous #3 6d

Dawg how is environmentalism anti-democratic I actually wanna hear this

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Anonymous modernartisass 6d

When it’s used as a front to cause socioeconomic damage to political opponents

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Anonymous #3 6d

Well by that logic anti-trust laws, health regulations, and workplace safety laws are anti-democratic too

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Anonymous modernartisass 6d

They absolutely can be, but the problem is we’re stuck with those laws because they’re necessary for a functioning free market society. Environmental laws are more wishy washy. I’m sure that a good handful of moderate Republicans would be open to negotiating clean environmental laws, but Democrats refuse to do that.

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Anonymous #3 6d

This is just veering towards the potential truth that laws you personally view as “necessary” are legitimate and ones that you view as “wishy washy” aren’t. I don’t see the difference in necessity between anti-trust laws and environmental laws because both are inherently positive for the broader public.

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Anonymous modernartisass 6d

By the time the environment becomes a seriously pressing issue for humanity, we’ll probably have the technology to terraform entire planets. Yeah, it sucks and it’s probably immoral that we’ll permanently change the planet, but I’d rather that than hand the keys to my freedom over to people who show time and time again that they will violate human rights.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Well, the time is now. I also cannot see how environmental legislation can go as far as “violating human rights” without it basically mandating that we kill a percentage of human population in the name of climate control, but absolutely no one is pushing for that apart from Ted schizo posters.

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Anonymous #3 6d

The environment will most likely become a pressing issue within this century — especially for communities in poor areas. I don’t think we’re anywhere near that level of technology.

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Anonymous justinian 6d

Yeah I’m cool with that genre of people, it’s just that they’re so far and few between.

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Anonymous modernartisass 6d

The economic damage it causes people just isn’t worth it. To make matters worse, it doesn’t help that the people who push environmental laws are never impacted by them. If you’re gonna do it in a way that fucks up people’s ability to make a living, then I’m not gonna support it at all. You can’t place the burden on only some people and not others, otherwise you’re creating an “us versus them” sentiment.

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Anonymous #3 6d

In what way are environmental laws doing “economic damage” apart from maybe acting as a negative towards corporate profits. This sounds like standard “don’t kill our mining town” rhetoric that is somewhat defensible until training initiatives and job replacement programs start getting brought into the conversation, then it falls apart completely. Besides those jobs are going to be killed regardless of environmental regulations being put into place.

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Anonymous modernartisass 6d

Besides we are veering into the rise of globalization and the critiques of it rather than potential concerns surrounding environmental regulations

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Anonymous modernartisass 6d

Globalism and environmentalism are not ideologies you can separate. If you’re supporting environmental laws, then you are ultimately supporting power consolidation from the hands of the people into the hands of a few. There’s no good reason to push these laws unless they are absolutely necessary. Humanity is resilient. The earth’s changing climate will have no significant impact on us in the long run. The worst outcome is that maybe the forests will be smaller and less beautiful, but that’s it.

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Anonymous #3 6d

Huge assumption you’re trying to smuggle in there. If you’re saying that any coordinated response to SHARED risks equals power consolidation, while doing nothing is somehow preserving power in “the hands of the people”, then you’re an idiot. Also saying that drastically changing Earth’s overall climate won’t have “long run” impacts is a disgusting abstraction. Food systems, insurance markets, coastal infrastructure, migration pressure and state stability will all be severely impacted.

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Anonymous navyblue_palms_up 6d

you would be shocked

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Anonymous #3 6d

Saying “humanity is resilient” is just a very stupid way to try and undersell the climate crisis and the impacts it will have as a humanity as a whole. I’ve come to a conclusion that continuing this conversation would likely be a waste of my time and an unnecessary exhaustion of what little brain power you seem to possess, good day to you

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Anonymous modernartisass 6d

Quite frankly it IS power consolidation, even if it is a coordinated response, and the people who are spearheading it have shown they have zero regard for our fundamental human rights, so fuck it then I’m fighting like hell against it. It won’t have no impact, but humans will be fine as a species. If we allow totalitarianism then we actually might NOT survive as a species.

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