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who wanna debate me 1) trans men & women are men & women 2) gender affirming care for minors 3) reasonable gun control is bipartisan 4) pro-choice all 9 months 5) MAGA is a fascist movement
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Anonymous 4d

depends on what’s “reasonable” gun control

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Anonymous 4d

6) Dems are also fascist unfortunately 😭 (Leftist here, not maga)

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Anonymous 4d

From a legal standpoint I agree with everything you said but from a moral standpoint I have two person caveats: 1. I would vote for pro choice for all 9 months of pregnancy, but I do think that after a certain amount of time it is murder. I couldn’t tell you exactly when, that’s a shortcoming of my own. But in those 9 months the zygote turns into a fetus, and that fetus turns into a viable soon-to-be baby. (continued)

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Anonymous 4d

2) already exists, its just cis-affirming only 4) based on what principle? 5) fascism is ultra-nationalist, and I dont think MAGA is nationalist, they only pro-themselves, not the whole nation. By america they mean middle/right white people in america, not the actual nation

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 4d

“Reasonable gun control” should be stricter licensing and additional training requirements, NOT any sort of gun bans or magazine limits.

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Anonymous replying to -> #1 4d

1) Registration & classes to obtain a license prior to first firearm purchase, fees paid to support local law enforcement and veterans organizations 2) If you want to own a hobby weapon, then it should be secured & stored at the shooting range where they will use it 3) Open-carry and CPL would both require a further courses and classes for safety, such as First Aid & CPR, scene assessment, and more, 4) Biannual registration and written competency tests for remainder of ownership

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 4d

Like I said, I would still vote for abortion care to be available for all 9 months because we’ve seen what happens when we restrict this healthcare for women. Pregnant women are scared into hiding their medical issues, shamed constantly for getting abortions, being killed in hospitals and refused service. I believe that for this reason we need to leave women’s healthcare alone and stop cultivating fear (continued)

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 4d

I agree! No additional gun bans — this would just localize where high-powered weapons would be in proximity to military bases, combat veteran-owned shooting ranges, and police academies which would provide a) inherent security and b) rapid deployment capability.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 4d

My second grievance is with gender affirming care for minors. I agree that minors should have access to gender affirming, life saving care… for the most part. I thought I was a transgender boy from the ages 13-17. I believed it with my whole heart and had already planned on taking HRT and saving for surgery when I was an adult. And then suddenly I realized I wasn’t trans. And there are so many cases like this. What if I had been able to medically transition at 16? (Continued)

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 4d

Id be in a constant state of dysphoria right now. I think trans kids/teens deserve support, the ability to socially transition, a supportive therapist, and PLANS to undergo medical care once they’re legal adults. I’m not transphobic at all. I just think that if I had lived in a more understanding household and had gotten that medical care as a minor, I’d be miserable right now

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

2) yes and should be inclusive of trans 4) medical principles, as an abortion after 26 weeks is usually just induction of labor barring any life-threatening anomalies 5) their foundation is the belief that they are nationalist, considering how often they talk about what “America” is or should be, and bear the flag everywhere. but yes, they’re talking about their idealized America they want to enforce.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

2) based on what principle? 4) its seems youre using Abortion to mean “ending the condition of pregnancy”, which may or may not be life threatening to the child. I think most discussion is regarding ending the life (the implication that a 9mo abortion means killing it). I dont think any serious group opposes induced labor of a viably developed fetus. 5) one can believe they are something, but not be that, such as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 4d

4) a fetus isn't sentient until about 26 weeks, which after that a termination of the pregnancy is often just induction of labor. not including any life-threatening anomalies for both the pregnant person and fetus. 2) GAC for trans minors includes about 6mo of psychological therapy and medical consultations with both the child and the family. Puberty suppressants have no evidence of long-term impacts on life for those who start & stop that treatment.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

2) the evidence for GAC for trans minors supports that it’s a healthy and effective method of treatment for their health. 4) abortion is medically considered the deliberate termination of a pregnancy *typically* within the first 28 weeks. Typically is not always, and therefore an abortion that includes giving birth is not called sometime completely different. That lack of knowledge bothers me when people discuss this but don’t fully comprehend what they’re speaking on (not you, just generally).

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

Firstly, I didn’t originally mean to respond to #1’s comment, so I apologize for that. Secondly, do you mean to say that weapons should only be stored at shooting ranges and never in the home?

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Anonymous replying to -> ittibittikitti 4d

true we are on a fascist slide so bad

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

2) what defines a trans minor? And what defines healthy and effective? 4) so what do you mean when you say up to 9 months? Is that just bait?

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 4d

No not at all, I mean like the high-powered automatic YEEHAW LOOK AT THAT RIGHT THERE 🤠 hobby or enthusiast firearms, ones that would literally explode a human body lol. Like the fun crazy ones people like to have bc they’re military enthusiasts or gun historians + they can/will actually still fire. Shit, could even do it like a buyback almost? 🤷🏼‍♀️ Hunting rifles, handguns, etc. would all still be fine to be properly secured in the home. Again, nobody is coming out to collect our guns.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

2) probably a psychologist making the assessment along with the child’s ability to self-identify as such. 4) not at all but that’s a fair concern — one should be able to revoke consent of a pregnancy at any time since it is their bodily autonomy in question. Typically it occurs well before the final weeks of pregnancy, but we need to make the precedent to ensure any and all of the cases of outliers are protected.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

2) How much liability does the psychiatrist have? Is it any licensed one? Who determines what qualifies for a license? Isnt part of being a child that they do not have the maturity to provide consent? 3) based on what principle is a pregnancy always revokable?

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

Is a pregnancy always revokable? That’s a really weird way to ask if a pregnant person always has bodily autonomy.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

2) of course it’s a licensed psychologist by the APA. after age 13, kids have medical autonomy and are allowed to exclude parents from their medical care actually. my coworker was telling me about how all her kids prefer to do their medical appointments alone lol (all cis-girls). 4) biological principle. pregnancy is inherently dangerous, and miscarriages are also termed as “spontaneous abortions”. what if someone is diagnosed w terminal cancer & needs to choose b/w their pregnancy OR chemo?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

2) the APA at one point labled homosexuality as a mental disorder, how can we be sure that theyre not in error now? Thats appealing to how things currently are, but thats not an argument for why they should be that way. Otherwise one could say “in the Philippines the age of consent is 12, so because its already that, its ok for it to keep being that.” 4) so if youre implying “you have a right to reject anything that carries inherent bodily danger”, so do vaccines even if small.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

4) cont. thats an exceptional case, not the standard for “universal ability to revoke pregnancy at any time”

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

People can’t be forced to take vaccines against their will. And it’s because of the exceptional cases that most people who support abortions at any point support abortions at any point. We believe we aren’t doctors and aren’t fit to determine when an exception should be made.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

Generally speaking, we also believe you cannot be forced to keep someone else alive with your own body in any context—fetus, child, or adult.

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

2) APA conducts consistent and reliable research on these subjects which sometimes reflects the common biases of the researchers of the time. Thankfully, homophobia has now been identified as a major bias which effectively helps support unbiased research on GAC for trans kids today. Would you like some citations of GAC for trans kids being successful (<5yr old)?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

the citations being less than 5yr ago, not the study subjects age to clarify.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

2) That doesnt ensure we have eliminated all harmful bias, Recency of citation also does not, its assuming that the current information is more accurate than the old. But if that is a fundamentally true principle then we either have to say “we made it, and have the best possible” or “at some point we can assume that we will be proven to be in error by those more advanced.”

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 4d

2) well that’s just how science works. we go off of the science we know via research and studies until we know more by doing more research. the assumptions of feminine cardiology health was just the same as the studies they did on men, just everything was smaller… then we actually did the studies.

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 4d

2) if it is then the case that we should assume our current knowledge is assurate and reliable due to it being our current knowledge, then at the time knowledge said homosexuality was a mental illness, would you say it was therefore acceptable by the standards of most current scientific consensus, to practice methods to cure it at the time?

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 3d

Right. For 4, I’m not saying that induced labor isn’t a thing. But also in that case the baby either lives and the parents pay millions of dollars in NICU bills or the baby dies which, in my mind, is the same thing as aborting it. So sure, after 26 weeks, I would say that removing the fetus from its host and not making any efforts to help it to survive is murder

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Anonymous replying to -> OP 3d

And for #2, I agree with the access to psychological care and medical care for transgender minors. Puberty blockers are mostly reversible, but the person who stops taking them will be months to years behind their peers, which would also cause gender dysphoria. Trans minors should get a safe space to explore their gender identity without medication involved

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 2d

i would like to acknowledge that you just called a pregnant person a “host” for the fetus… which is dehumanizing. please refrain from that terminology. the rights and freedoms of the pregnant person outweigh the needs of a fetus. they have the right to revoke consent to the pregnancy at any time.

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 2d

They often do explore their gender identity without medication. I suggest you dive into the academic and medical research articles on GAC fro trans youth to learn more about it. i’ve found that once people read and understand the research, they’re less opposed since all their concerns are mostly already addressed in the literature.

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