Anonymous #2 4w

For real I think a lot of the disagreement here stems from a refusal to see any perspective besides what you believe to be going on. Everyone had their minds made up prior to this even happening

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Anonymous #2 4w

I definitely don't think she deserved to get shot but I also don't think that the cop committed 1st degree murder or that this is some unprecedented show of tyrannical force under Trumps orders

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Anonymous #3 4w

Its a huge failure in policing and should be treated as such

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Anonymous #2 4w

Nah we all saw the murder. And she'd still be alive if trump didn't send his secret police to invade US cities.

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Anonymous #3 4w

I totally get that this is an anonymous app and there is no level of transparency or honesty required to post here, but it’s brutal watching people continue to post objectively false statements and then move the goalposts when confronted

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Anonymous #2 4w

I honestly think a lot of it is reaction baiting, people are bored and want to say stuff that garners attention, but in today's political climate, you have to say something 50x as extreme as you would have even 5 years ago to be heard on that level

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Anonymous #4 4w

“Secret Police” and it’s literally an organization that has been utilized by the executive branch for 46 years and has been formalized as ICE for 22

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Anonymous #3 4w

Well this requires logical thinking that people are autonomous beings and can make failures on their own and should be held accountable instead of extrapolating anecdotes to prove your argument

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Anonymous #3 4w

That’s what most of this app is. If you are proven wrong you can instantly shift or simply not respond to the claim being made and then post again

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Anonymous #2 4w

Yeah because other presidents didn't abuse their power to make ice or other agencies effectively secret police. Ice were not harassing, brutalizing, and detaining (and killing) citizens under Obama.

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Anonymous #4 4w

Not only have other presidents done that with ICE, other presidents have done it with almost every single federal agency we have

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Anonymous #4 4w

The ACLU vehemently disagreed about that

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Anonymous #2 4w

I don't like ice but they weren't used as a secret police force under any president besides trump

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Anonymous #4 4w

Using the term “secret police” is literally clear you have no American History knowledge. ICE has always been under scrutiny by human rights groups, even under your favorite presidents of the last 40 years. You are only seeing the discourse now because of the rise in mass media and catastrophic thinking

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Anonymous #4 4w

ICE agents under Obama were literally raping US citizens, genuinely what the fuck are you on about?

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Anonymous #2 4w

There are literally cars going around her in the video, what the fuck was she obstructing. They walked up to her, picked a fight, and shot her, because they were bitter little pieces of human garbage.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Blah blah blah. Ice has always been bad but trump has taken it to a whole new level.

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Anonymous OP 4w

She was obstructing by not following lawful commands (namely to get out of the car)

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Anonymous #3 4w

Not a lawful command

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Anonymous #4 4w

A "lawful command" is a directive from an authorized person (like a police officer or military superior) that must be obeyed because it falls within their legal authority and doesn't require breaking the law or violating constitutional rights; failure to comply can lead to legal penalties like arrest or fines, but it must be a clear order for a legitimate purpose, not a request or an order to do something illegal

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Anonymous #4 4w

Tell me where "Get out of the car" fails to meet that definition

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Anonymous #3 4w

She's a citizen and wasn't obstructing

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Anonymous #4 4w

By definition she was, she failed to obey a lawful command.

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Anonymous #3 4w

Ice can't tell citizens what to do unless they're directly obstructing

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Anonymous #3 4w

Ok but why is there no investigation into the cop, as standard for EVERY fatal police killing in America. Anytime a cop shoots someone DOA it’s standard practice to investigate the whole situation and get the facts. In this instance, republicans don’t want facts. We will never know what actually happened cause they don’t want us to know. Rather they’re investigating the WOMANS WIFE for fucks sake how can you not see this as borderline evil

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Anonymous #4 4w

Under U.S. v. Varkonyi (1970) federal agents have the right to detain citizens if they are obstructing an active investigation

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Anonymous #4 4w

Does disobeying a lawful command warrant getting shot? No. Is it still obstruction regardless? Yes.

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Anonymous #3 4w

They’re breaking standard protocol to justify shooting an American and you’re falling for it

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Anonymous #5 4w

I think there should be a full investigation

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Anonymous #3 4w

But they’re not. Six federal investigators just resigned because Trumps admin is interfering. Technically, Trump is now interfering with a police investigation, should you shoot him in the face?

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Anonymous #3 4w

Are you gonna move the goal post and be a hypocrite, or is Trump impeding an investigation?

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Anonymous #5 4w

He deserves it

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Anonymous #5 4w

There is an ongoing investigation by DHS and then Minnesota police. It doesn’t happen in a week

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Anonymous #5 4w

If anything it’d be kristi noem and no, he isn’t because the Federal government has jurisdiction over the case

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Anonymous #5 4w

By all means, go try and shoot Trump in the face. Not really a political statement to say that wouldn’t work out well

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Anonymous #2 4w

Yes but an ICE agent is a federal agent and internal reviews by Minnesota don’t have much jurisdiction there. Like I already said, The DHS is investigating the dead woman’s wife. Is that really what you wanna use as a defense?

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Anonymous #5 4w

You're asking me for my opinion on it, I'm not the president or involved in our government if you weren't aware

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Anonymous #5 4w

When did I defend that? Is the idea that multiple people can be at fault for a tragic event happening and the subsequent fallout lost on you?

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Anonymous #5 4w

Don't get all fussy that I agree it should be investigated

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Whats factually wrong about what I'm saying?

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Anonymous #1 4w

And conducting a CORRECT investigation is also a good thing to do but nooo trump is fully backing this officer and not having him investigated. NOT EVEN HAVING HIM INVESTIGATED AND HE WAS THE ONE WHO SHOT HER.. it’s absolutely mental

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Anonymous #3 4w

I was gonna delete and add what you’re wrong about. But overall it seems you just don’t know what’s going on in general. You claim there’s an investigation, there’s really not. You claim the police are justified in shooting someone over disobeying lawful order, also wrong that would be heavily litigated four months, but that’s not gonna happen here.

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Anonymous #5 4w

I never even made the claim there already was an investigation, I just said I think there should be. I didn't ever say they were justified either, in fact I explicitly said multiple times I think it was wrong to shoot her.

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Anonymous #3 4w

So you agree that shooting an American woman over obstruction is bad, and there should be an investigation? I don’t get why you’re defending ICE then.

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Anonymous #3 4w

He knew she wasn’t armed, why couldn’t he have shot at her tires? Or file a report with the police if she committed a crime and let them handle it as she wasn’t a public safety risk. Like be so fr she should not have been shot.. period. The problem is they have loosened the reins on ICE and it takes longer for me get my fucking oil changed than it takes ICE to get through training. If they wanna act like law enforcement, they need to be trained PROPERLY

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Anonymous #3 4w

Everything you said would signify you upset with how this was handled, but you’re not you basically said she deserved it

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Anonymous #6 4w

No way you did the meme😭

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Anonymous #3 4w

What that cop did was more dangerous than what that woman did 1000%. The minute he shot her, there was no one operating a moving vehicle ON ICE… even the actual police know how stupid and unsafe that is for literally EVERYONE around

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Anonymous #6 4w

This isn’t a movie man, that has never and will never be an LEO protocol because it poses an objectively greater threat to all parties involved.

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Anonymous #2 4w

What you believe, what you say, and what you act on all seem to be different. I can’t differentiate between #2 and #3 cause they’re not making coherent sense. I can’t keep up with what one believes versus the other because it keeps changing for both of them.

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Anonymous #5 4w

You’re aware that this situation isn’t as black and white as you want to make it out to me. Both Good and the ICE agent made mistakes that resulted in her death. The agent should at the bare minimum be investigated thoroughly, but had Good obeyed any of the orders she was given instead of choosing to drive towards the officer in front of her, she’d be alive.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Yall think there should be an investigation, there’s not. Yall don’t think she shoulda been shot, but she was. And you’re still defending the very people who are botching the whole legal process? Like what do yall believe?

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Anonymous #2 4w

OK then, why didn’t you start with that? Why did you start with ranting it with number three about how delusional people are and how she basically got herself killed? You admitted the part where you also disagreed with ice and instead chose to fan the flames. If you agree with me then what the fuck was the point of ever commenting? Engagement bait bullshit from you both.

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Anonymous #5 4w

I can’t speak for 3, but then I just said it. You can think something and acknowledge the unlikely chance of it happening. I think there should be an investigation and that there’s probably an at least legally defensible case through precedent like Graham v. Connor & U.S. v. Varkonyi for the officer to get off. Do I think that he will be held accountable at all? Probably not and I think that’s wrong. You’re getting confused because you’re conflating morality, legality and reality.

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Anonymous #2 4w

I’m not conflicting them it just seems your views on morality, legality, and the real world are different. That’s kinda been my point for the last many comments. My whole point has been what you say you believe and what you act on seem very different to me.

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Anonymous #5 4w

It’s neither of our faults you don’t understand nuance😭

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Anonymous #2 4w

Well, if you’re morality and what you do in the real world are different I think you’re a fucking coward then

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Anonymous #2 4w

All three of those things should be aligned in one person. You’re morality should influence your legal perspectives and how you act in the real world. It seems you don’t do that. your morals mean nothing because you’re a coward.

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Anonymous #5 4w

Yeah man, if I lived in a rainbow house full of cotton candy where everything went my way I’d be pretty happy. That’s not the real world, welcome to it. I doubt you’re going to enjoy your stay

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Anonymous #2 4w

Well, you’re started off immediately one sided. There was no nuance in your earlier comments. It wasn’t until you started getting called out that you started admitting that you disagreed with ice and what not but you still don’t act on it. It seems what you believe and even what you say don’t align, and that’s called lying.

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Anonymous #2 4w

I’m not saying the world is a rainbow full of cotton candy. I’m saying you live in a world with free autonomy and independent choice. You can try to better your life by standing on your morals. Rather it seems you throw your hands up in the air and give up when faced with any type of adversity.

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Anonymous #5 4w

When you see failure to sensationalize a woman's death to the highest degree possible as defending the people who killed her, you lost the plot.

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