Anonymous #1 21w

The fact the GOP put their full support behind American fascism, the MAGA movement is a scourge and, same as the Nazis, “everyone will have always been against this”

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Anonymous #2 21w

Like Bush McCain and Romney were still ass, but they weren’t fascist Nazis. They were just establishment republicans. Now that entire wing of the party has been forced out, because they were unwilling to blindly follow Trump. And yet republicans in media use trumps success in primaries as an indicator that’s what America wants

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Anonymous lazy_eye 21w

biggest con the left ever pulled was convincing people trump is right wing platform

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Anonymous #1 21w

…. Trumps platform is more right wing than any presidents we’ve had in like 80 years

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Anonymous #2 21w

They weren’t just pushed out by elite party bosses behind closed doors, the American conservative movement as a collective rallied behind it. No amount of no true Scotsman fallacies are going to change that.

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Anonymous #2 21w

you might need to go read a book then lmfao

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Anonymous #1 21w

I can assure you I’m far more learned on these things than you think. Sit down and list out each presidents rhetoric and actions over the past 80 years. You’ll see trumps are the most right and furthest right out of like any of them.

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Anonymous #1 21w

Good example: what did Reagan do for millions of illegal immigrants? Granted them amnesty. What is Trump doing? Forcibly deporting anyone they *think* is illegal, even if they’ve done everything legally.

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Anonymous lazy_eye 21w

The American conservative movement rallied behind it because they forced billions of dollars into media and campaigns to make it happen.

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Anonymous lazy_eye 21w

There’s a reason this all happened immediately after the Citizens United Case.

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Anonymous lazy_eye 21w

Like with enough money you could convince a majority of Americans that killing out the remainder of the wild bison population is a good thing. Rationality can be beaten by money.

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Anonymous #2 21w

Obviously your average American is beyond stupid enough to fall for what they see on TV. My problem isn’t that they’re ignorant and easily manipulated, it’s that when presented with mountains of evidence they are in the wrong they double down. Past a certain point it goes from ignorance to willful complacency; your average person in Nazi Germany supported the Holocaust implicitly regardless of their actual stance through silence and participation, the same applies to anyone who supports Trump

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Anonymous lazy_eye 21w

I understand what you’re saying trust me, and I hope I don’t come across as defending what is happening. I’m merely stating that this isn’t an issue of people being morally corrupt. The fact that this has happened so often throughout history suggests that it’s a problem with human nature, not the morality of the people being manipulated. Like I see it every day with my parents. They’ve exclusively watched Fox News for like 30 years. They’re convinced that 99% of negative press about Trump…

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Anonymous lazy_eye 21w

… is fake, exaggerated, etc. they’re convinced that Dems are inherently liars tricking poor people and minorities into supporting them when they turn around and continue working to keep them down. When you’re so far entrenched that you believe propaganda is truth, it’s hard to be convinced that they’re wrong yk? What’s happened over the past 16 years is nothing short of mass propaganda perfected

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Anonymous lazy_eye 21w

But like my parents are genuinely good people. Some of the most morally good I’ve met. The way they act is like the antithesis of what the Republican Party is about today. But they’re convinced that the party still upholds those values.

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