Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 29w

There’s a particular Lebanese creator I follow and love, and she speaks openly about her support for Palestine and the hardships of her family in Lebanon, but every time she says “isnotreal” and I’m like babe no now I’m focused more on my cringe than your message

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Anonymous OP 29w

If you think it shouldn’t exist might as well go full stupid and just use the made up names

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Anonymous #7 29w

honestly its more complicated than i can concisely explain in a paragraph of text so i’d rather just not get into it

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Anonymous #9 29w

yeah i know?

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Anonymous OP 29w

So why care

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Anonymous #9 29w

because jokes still have meaning

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I’ll try to be concise: Israel is built on 1) apartheid 2) illegal annexation and 3) genocide against Palestinians Meaning Israel’s govt aims to give lesser rights, steal land and/or mass kill half the area’s population while the other half enjoys an ethnic supremacist legal status Just as apartheid South Africa or Nazi Germany shouldn’t have existed and had to be dismantled, the Israeli state must be replaced by a true democracy w/ equal rights & freedom for everyone from the river to the sea

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if you really want an answer the person above this comment said it well. i would not have been able to explain my own argument that concisely. i dont think that’s a cop out, i just know my limits

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Anonymous OP 29w

you’re valid imo. the morality on Palestine isn’t complicated, but concisely making the full anti-Israel argument can be hard (esp over Sidechat lol). i’ve had practice, plus listened to lots of antizionists, plus typing still took a sec 💀

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Anonymous #6 29w

fair enough yeah

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1. Jewish historical presence in the region does not give Israel the right to indiscriminately bomb civilians 2. Genocide does not require a a threshold of population depletion. It’s any acts that’s intendedgoal is to destroy (whether entirely or in part) a specific group 3. Egypt allowed refugees until Israel set up attacks on the safety routes, and Egypt offered humanitarian aid that Israel blocked. People smoke Egypt for not trying anymore, and people blame Israel for their impact with that

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War implies two armed forces. It’s not a war. It’s a mass scale attack on civilians :) the alternative is give Palestinians the rights and safety they deserve to reduce their own internal support of Hamas and intelligence based targeted operations, that they claim they’re capable of, just don’t do

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You can’t ignore the actions that fall into the definition of genocide in favor of the ones that don’t to ignore the reality of the situation to promote killing brown kids

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Wow og_beer being described as having an anti western bias. Never thought I’d see the day

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I gave a very nice critique and alternative solutions to the conflict. It’s not irrelevant just because you don’t like it and would rather kill all Palestinians. But now you’re using your big boy words to try to be scary instead of acknowledge your own biases bc that would risk hurting your ittle wittle feelings :( so yeah imma be disingenuous bc you’re full of shit and I don’t see the point in arguing with toilets

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Anonymous OP 29w

Yeah it also just rolls off the tongue better

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If “anti-western bias” is saying “killing brown kids is bad” then maybe anti-western bias is good 🤷🏼‍♂️

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Lmfao there’s nothing to engage with, you’re just spewing Zionist talking points whether or not they’re actually true in the slightest

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How you felt typing all that

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You have yet to deny wanting them all dead tho

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I can use big words I don’t know the meaning of too, watch: antidisestablishmentarianism

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“Anti Zionism intifada good” yes unironically yes. Opposing genocide through any means necessary is objectively a good thing. If you can’t see that. That says a lot about you as a person

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I’m a shrimp it’s a miracle I can read at all buddy You’re just jealous that I can see more colors than you

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If it’s so obvious just say it then. Say you disagree with Israel’s excessive use of force against civilians because you don’t want all the Palestinians to die

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og_beer is exactly right on all accounts. but just to add: - the nation-state system is only a few hundred years old. Israel literally was created on a 19th/20th century colonial whim, inventing a new supremacist dichotomy between “Jews” (Ashkenazi settlers, Arab Jews from the MENA region, and indigenous Arab Jews from Palestine) and “Arabs” (indigenous Arab Muslims and Christians from Palestine).

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- Second, my comment was pretty fucking clear in delineating 1) apartheid, 2) illegal annexation, and 3) genocide. West Bank Palestinians are (at least rn) experiencing illegal annexation through settlements and land theft. Gazan Palestinians are def experiencing genocide, through Israel’s massive bombings and manufactured starvation All Palestinians, even those that are Israeli citizens, experience apartheid through varying forms of discrimination, at varying risks of expulsion

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- Third, I do have smoke for Egypt. Like Israel, they’re a US client state that’s complicit in Palestinian genocide for all the reasons you’ve mentioned. But unlike Israel, their planes didn’t drop 100k tons of bombs, their snipers aren’t shooting small children in the head, their bulldozers don’t flatten the remaining rubble for future settlements across Gaza.

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You really aren’t seeing how Israel bombing schools, hospitals, religious buildings, turning entire cities into parking lots, blockading humanitarian aid, bombing aid, blocking all roads entering and existing Gaza, killing Palestinians at “escape routes”, and blocking all food shipments is “just war” but Egypt building a wall is big meanie

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You believe Hamas is genuinely inside every mosque, school, and hospital? And also no it doesn’t. Hospitals (that would be unlawfully taken over by Hamas, if we’re going off your interpretation of international war law) are never allowed to be targets. And if Israel cared, would they be doing target operations to say, liberate these places from Hamas to help the people of Palestine? Instead of BLOWING THEM UP

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these talking points are just outdated. Israeli policy towards Gaza is so clearly collective punishment. Leaders say “we’re going after Hamas”, but then admit they see everyone as Hamas, so that’s it. Past genocidal remarks from leadership, 82% of the Israeli Jewish population want to expel all of Gaza. 47% want to directly kill everyone there. Tell me, is that fact “moral clarity” or “curated blindness”

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The amount of mental gymnastics you are willing to do to justify genocide is frankly terrifying

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