
it’s been 7 years. if we cannot accept that people make mistakes and can grow as people then we can never progress as a society. this obsession with perpetual moral purity hurts our cause more than it helps. people fuck up, she’s changed for the better, she has apologized. i can guarantee you’re no saint, should the mistakes of your youth come to light, should you too be treated as if you said them yesterday? or would you want people to understand that you’ve grown as a person since then?
She can say f*g. Nobody cares that she said it. She’s not homophobic, she just said a slur. People care when conservatives do it because they’re a bunch of murderous pedophiles who have genuine hatred behind their words. I know it feels unfair. But suck it up, you’re not a baby. You want to say f*g, start being woke.
Also, mamdanis wife isn’t white. She’s not black, so I grant you it’s walking a fine line. But like, it’s not the same as if a white guy said it. I mean shit Mexican people say the n word like crazy never knew a black dude who cared. And that’s like as far from being black as you can be without being white
Plus she made an actual apology. It actually sounded like she meant it instead of just saying sorry so she can stop getting called out for it. Also she was a child, yes she was old enough to know better, but kids say and do a lot of dumb and fucked up stuff. I also don’t think she would be married to someone like Mamdani if she hadn’t done some personal growth and bettered her mindset
There’s truth to that. And that’s why I called it a fine line. Back where grew up around Baltimore, my Latin friends would say it, and my black friends didn’t care. But obviously *some do*, and that’s valid. They probably shouldn’t be saying, but it isn’t the same vibes wise as if a white dude says it, you feel me? There’s more social leeway.
As someone who grew up in Texas especially south east, it’s the exact same vibe no matter who says it. I feel if you know the history behind the word then there’s no reason why you should be saying it. I don’t expect you to fully understand because I’m assuming you’re not black and from a different race. But, as a black person it doesn’t matter what race you are it’s racist regardless if you’re not black.
And you’re right, I definitely don’t fully understand. Those same black dudes who would be okay with Latin dudes saying it also very much were okay with me saying it. And I don’t think that’s okay, the same way I don’t think it’s okay when Latin people do it. What I’m trying to do isn’t to paint out exceptions for her, but instead contextualize the situation. Because a Latin dude says it, he gets dirty looks. I say it, I get my ass beat.
Again, not that it’s okay. I certainly wouldn’t want a bunch Syrians running around shouting the soft a. But like, Syrians face actual racial discrimination. As do Latin people. I don’t. I think that understanding is sort of underlying in people’s willingness to permit nonwhite people to say it. Like, no one’s ever gonna pull me over and call me the n word. But a Syrian dude? It’s in the cards. Does that make sense?
No i hear you man, and i agree. I just think contextualization is valuable here. Like i said before, id never in my life be called that in an actual racist context. It’s bad, she should apologize which she did, etc etc. it’s just easier for me personally to forgive when i know that there are chuds on the internet being racist towards her. Itd be harder for me to forgive a white dude for the same thing because like, he never has to deal with that.
But regardless, it is equally wrong when everyone does it. It’s just that there are contexts that make easier for me to forgive, like if someone actively does face racial discrimination. Because like, while it’s not even close to the same as the shit black people have to deal with, at least it’s something you feel me?
the load bearing part of my comment had to do with the fact that at 15 people are not reasonable and if they have not shown racist behavior since then it's not fair to judge based on the behavior of a 15 year old because that doesn't say anything about the kind of person she is now. and if she IS being racist now, point to that, not the comment at 15
who are you talking to? when in this exchange did i say "a child can change their sex and 15 year olds don't know not to say racial slurs"? aside from the first point which is completely unrelated to anything, i never even said 15 year olds don't know that racial slurs are bad. my point is the kind of decisions you make and the context you have for those decisions is not the same at 15 as in your 20s, even early 20s. someone being shitty at 15 does not mean they're a bad person at 25
i don't even know what you're talking about because i havent spent all day reading this long ass thread. i'm responding to specifically the exchanges between me and you in this thread. i'm not endorsing or condemning any statement made by #1 or anyone else in this thread even if i agree with them that you're a buffoon
i'm not mad because you disagree i'm slightly frustrated by your inability to engage in good faith argument with what i actually said 💀 like i didnt say anything abt agreeing with #4, or about punching people in the face, or about trans children. yet you're seemingly unable to hold a conversation without aggressively challenging views that you schizophrenically imagined me to have