Anonymous #2 4w

I think it really doesn’t matter I think Taiwan, claiming to have control of the mainland is stupid. I also think that they should just be their own nation and china Shouldn’t try to take it over.

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Anonymous #3 4w

No yeah I agree, Taiwan renounces claims on the mainland —> china renounces claims on Taiwan. Neither side is “happy” but both sides no longer have to fear imminent war

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Anonymous #2 4w

the KMT lost the civil war and fled to the island of Taiwan where it established a brutal dictatorship and ruled under martial law for four decades

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

As opposed to the brutal dictatorship established on the mainland.

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Anonymous #2 4w

Why are you guys trying to reduce conflict in the world? Obviously every country should be pursuing every territory they could possibly historically claim, surely that’ll somehow make the world better.

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

and Taiwan in the coming years will likely choose to unify with the mainland, primarily because it has greater economic ties to the mainland, but also because being an unsinkable aircraft carrier just off the coast of China is not in the interests of people living in Taiwan

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

And china wasn’t the same? Why is it fair to focus on taiwans dictatorship and not chinas post revolution? Say what you will about Taiwan, tiennemen square never happened there. Also I’d argue the people have much more liberty in Taiwan than in china today

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Ok then why are saying China should go to war with Taiwan if they’re just going to join anyway?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

i’m not saying China would go to war. i’m suggesting that if unification were to happen, the west would intervene, hence why i ask if Chinese unification is really worth global conflict

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

So the theory is that Taiwan is going to join China bc Taiwan being “ an unsinkable aircraft carrier” is bad for Taiwan. You’re very clearly making that implication that Taiwan should join China because China will threaten Taiwan. In other words Taiwan should join China bc China will coerce them otherwise.

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

I mean if we go to war over a peaceful unification that’s not ok i agree. But china isn’t going to peacefully unify with Taiwan. They wouldn’t be building mile long tank deploying barges if they thought they could

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Their point is that the alternative is being an aircraft carrier for western imperialist powers and a glorified semi-conductor factory

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Also by this logic should Canada join the U.S. bc the U.S. is threatening Canada and we’re their major trading partner?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Don’t forget Greenland

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

You’re unironically making Trump/Hitler arguments but you’re ok with making them bc China is the right aesthetic of authoritarian for you.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

was Canada ever an American state, or claim to be the legitimate actor representing the US?

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Anonymous #1 4w

They’re going to be a glorified semi conductor factory for the imperialist west, or for the authoritarian east. Not exactly good options either way.

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Technically we claimed upper Canada in 1812 so we could go off that!!

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Anonymous #1 4w

That’s fine China doesn’t get to dictate who Taiwan allows on their island or what they make. There’s no justification for that. Also saying Taiwan is a glorified factory when we’re talking about China is ironic.

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Anonymous #2 4w

that’s their whole economy, we can’t do that to them 😭

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Anonymous #1 4w

Also this went over your head but they wouldn’t have to be an aircraft carrier if China wasn’t threatening them. Again you guys are being pro coercion.

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Exactly my point

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Was Taiwan ever part of the prc? does Germany get the claim Austria bc Austria was part of Germany at one point? Again we’re unironically making Hitler arguments.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

You morons would support the US war in Vietnam if it happened today holy shit lmao

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Anonymous #1 4w

Fuck no we wouldn’t

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Not really it was a colony established during the fall of the Ming dynasty, and was basically de facto independent till the Japanese occupation of the nation in 1895

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Anonymous #1 4w

The meaningful difference is Taiwan doesn’t want to be part of China. I don’t think there was ever that much popular support for south Vietnam in south Vietnam at the time. I know you think countries should be able to take over places ig if they threaten them enough I think that’s wrong.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

“I don’t think there was ever that much popular support for south Vietnam” holy shit lmao

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Anonymous #1 4w

What about that was wrong?

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Anonymous #1 4w

They’re not gonna answer the question lol.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

There absolutely was support in south Vietnam for US intervention by the ruling class lmao, are you kidding?

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Anonymous #1 4w

I’m not talking about the ruling class dipshit, notice how you had to add that element bc you’re wrong.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

“Add that element” no that’s simply reality, there absolutely was support for south Vietnam by Vietnamese capitalists.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Ok again you’re just talking about irrelevant shit that I didn’t mention. It’s very obviously how you’re being bad faith. I’m not talking about the ruling class I’m talking about the general south Vietnam population.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Is it true yes or no did the south Vietnam government have a lack of support from the general population?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Yes and many did support the south erroneously and many even left the country

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Anonymous #1 4w

Ok so you agree with me so nothing was wrong with that statement. You’re purposefully being a slimy loser bc you’re wrong.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Nope, you are incorrect that there was not armed resistance and support for the south otherwise there wouldn’t be a fucking war lmao

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Anonymous #1 4w

How does a war happen without armed resistance

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Anonymous #1 4w

Pls tell me where I mention armed resistance? It’s so obnoxious how you guys can’t just move to a different point. You have try to squirm to make all your points make sense so you don’t have to concede anything.

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Anonymous #2 4w

My point exactly, there was support for the south, dosent justify the us involving themselves in the war in Vietnam

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Armed resistance requires popular support, are you having a stroke?

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yes that’s why they lost the armed resistance dipshit.

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Anonymous #1 4w

Again you already agreed with my statement just make another bad argument. Why do you think China should take Taiwan?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

I didn’t say they had more popular support than the north, you claimed that there was, and I quote “ever that much popular support for south Vietnam” lmao

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Anonymous evil_sheep 4w

is the PRC a colonial empire?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Because the unification of their country will also prevent US interference and meddling with their sovereignty. Especially necessary as the US goes mask of with their imperialism

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yes I’m saying thats why it was bad, bc there wasn’t enough support for south Vietnam in south Vietnam to justify militarily supporting south Vietnam. Thats the difference between south Vietnam and Taiwan. I’m not saying there was zero support.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

And there isnt any amount of support that justifies the US involving themselves in the affairs between China and Taiwan

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yes there is Taiwan wants to independent that’s the difference.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

And so did south Vietnam, but guess what, the number of people in China who support reunification outnumbers the individuals who support independence

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Anonymous #1 4w

But you’re fine with Chinese meddling that’s the point I’m trying to figure out why.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Because Taiwan is China, this is a fact even recognized by the United States one China policy

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Anonymous #1 4w

That doesn’t matter we’re looking at the number in Taiwan. If enough people in the U.S. wanted to annex Canada would that make it ok? Notice how there’s zero consideration for the people of Taiwan?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Canada isn’t apart of the United States, Taiwan is a part of China. That’s the difference. Just because reactionaries fled their and want to secede, doesn’t mean they get to

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Anonymous #1 4w

You’re just making an argument for any big country to annex any smaller country if enough people in the big country want that. I think people shouldn’t be forced into countries they don’t want to be apart of.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

Nope, the difference is that Taiwan has always been apart of China

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Anonymous #1 4w

No it’s not dipshit if it was part of China we wouldn’t be talking about them being forced into China.

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Anonymous _orangutan 4w

Yeah? Tibet, Inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, debatably Manchuria. I think Taiwan should relinquish claims on the mainland and just do their own thing.

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

“The confederacy is a different country, if they weren’t we wouldn’t be talking about them being forced to join the Union”

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Anonymous #1 4w

No it hasn’t Taiwan has never been part of the prc. Would it be ok if the uk invaded Ireland if that was true?

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

The PRC is the rightful government of China, just because Taiwan wasn’t under PRC governance dosent mean it wasn’t always Chinese

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Anonymous #1 4w

No they haven’t. They never really been part of China really. Usually they were de facto independent. It’s like saying Ireland has always been a part of the UK

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Anonymous #1 4w

Yes they were a different country we had a civil war they lost. China had a civil war they failed to take Taiwan now Taiwan is a more liberal place and they don’t want to be part of china’s

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Anonymous blue__wave 4w

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