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(before anyone says “that’s an edge case-“ OP SAID ‘NEVER’)

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Anonymous #4 38w

Where are you going with this?

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Anonymous #5 38w

Even if you’re right, that justifies it now?

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I’m not really sure I understand what you’re trying to say.

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Yes, so why should it be justified now?

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violent in their own unique ways

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Anonymous OP 38w

Answer my question first.

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Anonymous #4 38w

Well I don’t think it’s relevant but I’ll humor you. I think the US joining the fight was instrumental to the allie’s victory.

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Anonymous OP 38w

Fair. New question: did the allies DESERVE to win?

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Anonymous #6 38w

With the current situation and their technology and scope, that won’t happen. You must do the climb

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Anonymous #6 38w

Ok sure I agree with that. But until we see one, we should all stop with the political violence, yes?

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Anonymous OP 38w

Until you see a fascist? My friend they already control the government

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Anonymous #4 38w

I don’t think that question really matters. Deserve isn’t the word I would even consider. Both sides had flaws but if I had to choose, I’d say, because of the atrocities by the axis, the allies did deserve to win.

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Anonymous #6 38w

Iran, China, and Myanmar. I guarantee you that if you were to live in those countries, you’d come back to America and beg for forgiveness for ever calling America fascist. I’ve been there. I’ve seen the shit they do. We are not even close to fascist.

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Anonymous OP 38w

I have lived in China, it was fucking awesome. Going after the country that has raised more people out of poverty in the last 40 years than ever before in human history is wild

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Anonymous OP 38w

I think the question does matter! Fortunately, you answered it. You DO think they deserved to win. Next question. And hopefully, one that makes this whole line of inquiry make sense. You believe the allies deserved victory. By WHAT MEANS was it acceptable to ACCOMPLISH that victory?

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Having the largest population means numbers will be inflated. China also defines poverty as people who make less than $1.9 dollars a day. Not exactly a hard standard to meet. The Chinese also lack a lot of the freedoms that we Americans have. Including protected speech which is very important.

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Anonymous OP 38w

Incorrect, that’s actually the threshold for extreme poverty. The average rural Chinese family has seen their income increase by a far larger marigin, we’re talking actual elevation to the middle class here

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Anonymous #4 38w

War. War was completely justified then to fight a regime that was actively conquest in Europe and killing millions. However, let’s not pretend that the circumstances are anywhere close to being similar to current day. No one is conquering, and no one is killing millions of people.

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Anonymous #6 38w

Boohoo capitalists can’t openly organize to undo the gains of the revolution, cry me a river

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Anonymous OP 38w

What about Israel?

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Anonymous #6 38w

That fair. I misread my stuff. But it’s still not much better. China’s upper-middle income line is $6.85/day. That’s still easy to make. And technically our minimum wage has increased drastically over the years too. Inflation masks a lot of issues. And the Chinese are no strangers to inflation.

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Anonymous #6 38w

What about Israel?

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Also I went to high school with many Chinese international students, most of whom were not members of the elite but had instead obtained merit scholarships. Even after getting a taste of American life, they all strongly preferred the Chinese model. I know because I speak Mandarin and have talked to them about it. They would easily be able to afford an apt in a tier 1 Chinese city, a place in fucking upstate New York was far more expensive

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Anonymous OP 38w

I did meet a few who opposed the current Chinese government, but it was literally because they were anti revisionist maoists

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Anonymous OP 38w

“War.” Fair! New question. That war was against fascists. If the war was FOR fascism, would you be in support?

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Anonymous #4 38w

Israel’s genocidal campaign was a fascist war against the indigenous Palestinian population…

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Anonymous #6 38w

So, I’ve had a similar experience with you. I’ve lived in China too and even went to school there. I have experienced the opposite to what you have. I’m sure lots of people do well in China. Lots of people do well in the US. The point isn’t poverty rates. It’s about freedoms. In China, could you speak out against Ping like people do against trump? With insults and hate and remain free?

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Anonymous #6 38w

I’m no Israel fan

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Anonymous #4 38w

I wouldn’t support it. I don’t support *actual* fascism.

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Anonymous OP 38w

And we arrive at the conclusion of this thought exercise. Political violence is OK in contexts you support. That’s what “war” is, after all. So your “political violence is NEVER ok” post is not true.

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Anonymous OP 38w

New question. What contexts OUTSIDE of war do you support political violence in?

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Anonymous #4 38w

I wouldn’t say war is the same as political violence.

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Anonymous OP 38w

… i DARE you to explain the difference in a way that actually separates them.

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Anonymous OP 38w

(war starts because of politics. therefore, war is political violence. that’s my position)

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Anonymous #4 38w

War can happen for many different reasons. Territorial disputes, or ideological issues. Political violence = using force for politics outside structured war. War = organized combat between states or large factions. So WW2 was war, not political violence in the sense I’m arguing about. That’s why your example doesn’t refute my point. I’m talking about here in the US. We’re not at war, are we?

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… new question. define “states” or “large factions” in a way that excludes politics. and while you’re at it, define “politics,” because I worry you and I are not on the same page here

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You’re doing a semantics gymnastics arguement now. I’m not really into that. But I will say politics is the pursuit of power or control over collective decisions. War is always political, but it’s organized and structured. Political violence outside war lacks that structure and often targets innocents. that’s the moral distinction I’m making.

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Policing resistance? We’re not in a resistance. There’s no hitler reigning over us. I think harming people who happen to disagree with you is morally wrong. You guys make this whole resistance and oppression thing seem like a fetish. It’s weird.

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Ethnic cleansing? I assume you’re talking about the removal of illegal immigrants from our country? I want to remind you that not all illegal immigrants are the same race. You should be careful in saying that. I know you don’t mean it that way but it sounds a little racist. And I’m not sure sanctioned violence is the correct term. More like “avoidable tragedies”.

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As long as you’re not advocating regime change then yes, look at how much the public opinion of Chinese netizens has influenced public policy

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I didn’t even say they’re only targeting illegal immigrants. What?

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Where did I say that only illegal immigrants were being targeted?

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I assume that’s what you were talking about because that’s what you liberals jump to parrot from your leaders.

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That’s not quite the moment you think it is. You can accuse me of that, I can accuse you of it too. 🤷‍♂️

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You guys are insane. You guys genuinely treat this stuff like it’s a fetish. You guys are some of the more intense virtue signalers I’ve encountered. And you put words in my mouth and then scream that I said something wrong. No one is being “ethnically cleansed”

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Your Democrat leaders? Why is that interesting? Every party has leaders. Majority leaders minority leaders? Do you pay attention to how politics actually work?

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See this is why it looks like a fetish. You so desperately need there to be some “white supremacist oppression” because it gives you such strong feelings of moral authority. I get that you’re set on it and that’s fine. You can have your opinion. I don’t think the majority of the country will ever believe you though. But I wish you good luck out there. Stay safe.

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I think you’re misunderstanding “America first”. It doesn’t mean American are better than everyone else, it just means when it comes to policy, we should think about our own people first. No one said “only European immigrants”. Just because the majority of illegal immigrants happen to be not white, doesn’t mean you can say they’re targeting non whites. They’re targeting illegal immigrants.

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It’s interesting to see someone so smitten with their own propaganda acuse me of falling for propaganda. I thought you would be a normal person to talk to but instead, you’re resorting to threats now and insults. That’s not normal adjusted person behavior. And it makes your side look bad. You take examples from the right’s extreme. But your side’s extremes are literally saying “kill all white people”. I hope you stay safe out there bro and I hope no harm ever comes to you over your opinions

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Anonymous #6 38w

Try going to China and questioning or criticizing Ping or communism as a whole. You’ll be scooped up and never seen again.

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Yeah this app is a leftist echo chamber for sure. I’m definitely the minority here. I’m sorry you get so angry to the point of insults because someone disagrees with you. I think this is the reason why leftists tend to be less happy in life. I won’t entertain the idea that you think I’m using darvo. That’s childish of you to just randomly say. I genuinely hope you can chill out a bit and maybe spend less time on this leftist oppression fetish. You’ll be happier 👍

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There are countless reported instances of this happening and I can give you links. But sure. Im using my feelings 🙄. Also, if you don’t mind, im debating this guy, not you, on this chain. Thanks.

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There’s no ethnic cleansing. They’re simply removing people who did not enter the country legally from the country. White, brown, black. It doesn’t matter. And I’m not even white lmao 😂

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Ok that’s how you know you’re brainwashed 😂. I’m Mexican and you think I’m a white supremacist because I don’t behave the way a dumb Mexican who doesn’t know what’s best for him should, is that right? You liberals are the real racists 😂. And again, it’s not an ethnic cleansing. People of all ethnicities who are here illegally are being deported.

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Classic racist liberal. If a minority disagree with your views, they must have internalized racism 😂. You’re literally supporting political violence to silence the opposition. That’s was fascists do. The irony is so funny and it’s crazy how you don’t see it. Lmao I’m the radical one. I’ll enjoy a prosperous country that isn’t being taken advantage of by illegal immigrants who hate America. You can go on enjoying your little fetish for being oppressed.

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I’ve talked to many Maga and America first people who love that my parents came to the country legally a generation ago. They pat us on the back and say, “welcome to America neighbors”. You guys just make shit up and then cry about it because it’s a fetish that you have.

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You didn’t read what I said.

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Are you fr comparing real life to a kids cartoon? And even if you could do that, did Aang assault and berate the citizens of Ba Sing Se for saying things that they disagreed with?

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Well you guys tend to say weird and unhinged stuff so it’s hard to tell when you’re joking. I’ll just remind you that insults and name calling make you seem a lot less intelligent. I don’t think you’re dumb, I just think you’re so emotional that you can’t help but resort to insults when you cant understand other people’s arguments. I just think you can’t handle that others have different beliefs and your emotions make it seem like my beliefs are really extreme. But they’re really not.

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You’re probably just saying that because I’m brown. Why do you hate brown people so much?

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Ok bro. You deny responsibility for supporting illegal immigration which harms the people in our country and you’ve been attacking me this whole time with insults and threats. The American people are the victims of the immigrant’s illegal immigration. So really, you’re using Darvo because illegal immigration happened before people hated illegal immigration.

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You debate like a child. I can tell you work in retail or some shit.

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Ok so I’ll just take that as an admission of a childish mindset and you choosing not to be a serious person. Or as someone who just enjoys your little antifa fetish.

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That’s rich coming from you. Good luck out there. I hope you get better. Stay safe.

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