Anonymous dumbegg 1w

I’m not intentionally missing anything. Capitalism doesn’t encourage this. Anyone with a brain would know shit like this happens in damn near every system of government and economic system. This is just power.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

It literally dies you dumb sack of bricks. It’s a system that rewards greed and exploitation, literally moral rot. It creates these monsters as a necessity of the process

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

👍

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

I know u do t have the mental capacity to engage with anyone in good faith so I’ll take that as acquiescence to the fact that ur wrong

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Incapable of defending your own argument LMAO ur so fucking dumb. Classic centrist

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Anonymous #1 1w

Is this supposed to be profound or something? How would any ordinary person manage to buy an island, a private jet, a ranch, and run a sex trafficking ring?

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Anonymous #4 1w

Yes but joker does not seem to agree that this is an acceptable analysis

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Anonymous #1 1w

What exactly makes this different from a monarchy, fascist regime, socialist collective, etc? Acquisition of power always brings on these kinds of behaviors because there is no real authoritative body to keep them in check. This fundamentally a human problem, not a capitalist or communist or fascist problem. Warlords in Afghanistan were doing the same thing to young boys and our troops knew about it. Tell me where they fit into the capitalist elite.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Warlord in Afghanistan were propped up by America funds and would absolutely be considered capitalist.

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Anonymous #1 1w

You think it wasn’t going on before? lol?

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Nah not really tbh, at least not to the level that it now is. Even then, it has always been rich and poor. Class struggle explains all of advanced human society

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Anonymous #1 1w

The abuse predates U.S. involvement, predates modern capitalism, and tracks with local power structures and impunity. At this point, you’re just relabeling power as capitalism so the theory can’t be falsified. You have no idea what you’re talking about and should feel bad for even trying to attempt an input into this conversation off a whim.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Nope, I’m explaining power dynamics to be between classes, which has how it has historically been. Capitalism has only existed since the Industrial Revolution, class struggle has existed a lot longer. You can call it power, sure, but the power is structured around upper and lower levels of society.

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Anonymous #1 1w

If it’s existed before capitalism…then you can’t blame capitalism, now can you….which was the entire point

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Lmao for sure I don’t have any idea what I’m talking about, thank goodness you’re here to educate my poor feeble mind

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Ur so obtuse lol. He’s saying capitalism allows for this abuse to occur on the grand scale we are seeing, not that pedophilia never exists at all in other systems

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Rape has existed forever, organized rape by the 1% of business owners, politicians, and world leaders (aka) capitalists has only existed under capitalism. This should not be that hard to understand. Working class people were victims, owning class people are the assaulters.

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Anonymous #1 1w

You only had a Jeffery Epstein under our current economic system, understand?

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Anonymous #1 1w

LOOOOOL yeah because kings, monarchs, warlords, and priests of the old world never had organized rape. Delusional.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

King’s individually raped and probably even to some extent raped in an organized fashion but in no other system has there been this level of a global interconnected network of pedophilia and rape. You know this is true, you just can’t admit it because you’re more married to your ideology than reality

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Okay, who was the Jeffery Epstein of the fuedal age? It would be like if every king and queen from each kingdom across the feudal world were organizing the rape and murder of children.

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

That’s a projection coming from you.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

If you’re gonna defend capitalism please show me the deed to the factory, I need some credentials lmao

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Here we go again with you being incapable of engaging with the substance

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Anonymous #1 1w

I’m not necessarily “defending” capitalism so much as I am calling OOP for the weak ass attempt at trying to organized rape yet another critique of capitalism lol.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Except you are incapable of actually proving the critique wrong

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Ottoman harems, Chinese imperial concubinage systems, documented clerical abuse, noble concubinage…I can go on?

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Fucking Ghengis Khan of all people 😂😂😂

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Cool how many of those were global interconnected networks that involved every major player on the global stage

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

The post is calling out the power dynamic between the victims and the criminals, it is a dynamic of capitalism, where the working class is abused by the owning class. Would you classify the people on the Epstein list as anything other than capitalists? Elon musk, Trump, the Clinton’s, etc.

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Oh wait. None of them. Because capitalism is what facilitates this abuse on that grand a scale

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

So I have to answer a non sequiter now? 😂

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

I get that you have the intellectual chops of a first grader but that doesn’t excuse you being this dead wrong. A first grader honestly would probably be more intellectually honest than you and thus reach a more true conclusion than you ever could!

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

It would be like if Genghis Khan was also secretly meeting with the Czars of Russia in order to throw child rape parties.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I’d classify them as power brokers

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

It’s literally the exact argument being made?? That capitalism as a system facilitates abuse on a far broader scale than ever before possible? Me asking you to prove that wrong is not a “non sequiter” you’re just being intentionally intellectually dishonest !

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Anonymous #1 1w

You’re mistaking technological capacity for moral causation. Pre-modern elites abused at the maximum scale their infrastructure allowed; modern systems scale abuse because they scale everything. That doesn’t make capitalism the cause. Using technological advancement as an excuse to blame capitalism is wild lol

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Yea man cause the monarchs of middle af Europe were so disconnected and too far apart. It totally wasn’t the fact that feudalism created competing interests among the heads of state rather than aligning their interests as capitalism dies which allows for a broader ability to collaborate in the abuse

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Keep being intellectually dishonest in service of a system that views you as “goycattle”

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

You’re such a disingenuous fuck all the time 😂 Every argument you’re always trying to smuggle in unstated premises.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

No you just don’t have the brain power to understand how all these points relate to each other lmao. That’s your fault not mine

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Please, point to what i said that is unrelated and not an actual argument in favor of my position? I don’t think you can because you’re just saying that in an attempt to obfuscate the argument as you don’t have any actual substantive response to it :)

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

You jump from coordination to capitalism as moral cause. Coordination is produced by infrastructure and technology, not by capitalism as an ethical system. That’s the exact category error I’ve pointed out REPEATEDLY. If coordination itself is what you’re calling capitalism, then the claim is definitional, not causal, and can’t be argued or proven either way.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

This level of Coordination is allowed because of capitalism, an argument you haven’t responded to, rather you just repeat yourself like a broken record. There’s also the fact that capitalism creates people who have more wealth and power than ever before in human history and permits them to behave like gods

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

I’ve made 4 or 5 different arguments directly in favor of capitalism being the exclusive reason why this is possible and you have failed to directly respond to the substance of any of these arguments. I just hope you know that you, and people like you, are the reason why Epstein and associates view the common person as so easily manipulated and stupid

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Marx says that the use of tools and technology is a reflection of the system. The internet and planes is used by the wealthy elite of the world in order to run a child abuse ring. It is a reflection of the system of global capitalism

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Anonymous #1 1w

*are used

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

You’re asserting necessity without demonstrating it. Saying “this level of coordination is allowed because of capitalism” is just restating your conclusion. I’ve already responded by pointing out that coordination follows infrastructure, technology, and institutional power, all of which exist independently of capitalism. You have to make the connection that capitalism is the necessary condition and not merely coincident with modern infrastructure. You just keep repeating the premise.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

I literally did make the connection about how capitalism aligns political entities interests under the banner of capitalism which then allows for that coordination to occur. You did not respond to this analysis, rather simply crying like a pathetic baby and repeating yourself like a mental patient

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Give it a rest bro. It’s clear you aren’t on my level

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Alignment of interests ≠ capitalism. You still haven’t shown capitalism is a necessary condition rather than one historical instance of large-scale coordination. Until you do, you’re restating the conclusion.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

It literally is capitalism dipshit. You can’t just say it’s not and think that’s an adequate response to the analysis that capitalism itself necessitates that alignment of interests under the banner of Capital!

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

U lack any substance and do exactly what you moron centrists constantly project onto the left: throwing around buzzwords and half-baked analysis and expecting everyone to take it as legitimate and intellectual. It’s not. You’re just stupid

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

If “alignment of interests under capital” is what defines capitalism, then you still haven’t shown why alignment itself is unique to capitalism rather than a general feature of large-scale power systems. Show me the mechanism by which capitalism alone, and not state power, empire, bureaucracy, ideology, or technology, makes such coordination possible or concede that capitalism is coincident with modern scale, not its necessary cause.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

I literally did bro. You keep repeating yourself with zero substantive analysis and I’m starting to think you can’t read

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

No, you haven’t.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

It’s the banner of Capital! It aligns political entities interests uniquely under the banner of capital! I’ve said this a dozen times!

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

I can understand if you have a hard time understanding what that means, given the level of intelligence you’ve so far demonstrated

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

At this point you’re arguing by repetition, not analysis. That’s usually a sign the argument is exhausted.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Dawg I’m repeating myself so much because you refuse to engage with any of these substance I’m putting out! That’s your fault boss

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

If someone keeps making the same argument over and over again, and refuse to engage with the response I give them, I’m just gonna keep repeating that same response!

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

We’re looping. You’re restating conclusions, I’m asking for justification. Until that changes, there’s nothing left to discuss.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Ok man whatever you gotta tell yourself to keep thinking you did anything of substance in this argument LMAO

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Ya know it’s the sign of an intellectually weak man when you project this hard about looping and not providing justifications. Your refusal to engage in the substance I provide and instead simply attempting to hand wave it away by repeating yourself is truly pathetic. You should be ashamed of your self but your too stupid to be capable of that

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Alright man, have a good one.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Oh I will because I’m actually able to engage with people on here without crashing out and running away. You on the other hand are in for a hell of a nightmare if you keep up this attitude

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Run away lil boy, like you always do

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Anonymous #1 1w

“organized rape by the 1% of business owners, politicians, and world leaders (aka capitalists) has only existed under capitalism” “Working class people were victims, owning class people are the assaulters” We can agree that this isn’t always the case, right? What about the Rotherham grooming gangs? USA Gymnastics? Penn State? You could argue that Nassar wasn’t exactly working class, but he wasn’t a billionaire either

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Anonymous #4 1w

inb4 “petite bourgeois”

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

You could argue that the Karolyis and Paterno were the owning class in this situation, but they were enablers who turned a blind eye or just let it happen. They didn’t play an active role in actually assaulting or trafficking children (or in the PSU case, adults, but still, there’s the power dynamic)

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Anonymous #4 1w

You can’t use any US or modern examples btw. When you really get to meat of their argument, it just ends up being everything good is socialism and everything bad is capitalism. Even working class people get annoyed with these people who try to use their misfortunes for moral credibility.

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Anonymous #4 1w

To them, only scale matters. That’s why when I brought Genghis Khan, they started to try and run with the argument that it still wasn’t as global. Like no shit, the global population was like 400 million at best 😂 They don’t care about Power Theory. The world is more exciting when you have an big evil bad guy with a big evil ideology and a narrative.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

Like I really fail to see what prevents this from happening in a socialist or communist society. The key issues and common themes are corruption, people willing to look the other way or be completely incurious, and fear of speaking out

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Anonymous #4 1w

That’s why Epstein and associates hated and were clearly threatened by socialists. Cause they totally could’ve done it under socialism too LMFAO

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

I love that you reengage whenever you have some dumb dipshit who will just regurgitate what you’ve said back to you and fondle your balls. Pathetic loser you are

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Incapable of handling pushback of any kind but more than happy to get sucked off my a moron. Classic centrist

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Anonymous #4 1w

Also, #4, your first comment is stupid as fuck and missing the point of what we were saying, yet again. I invite you to try to concoct a reply that doesn’t create a straw man and actually engages with the substance of my argument. I don’t think you will tho because you don’t have an argument to make

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Can you explain your point better then? Because it sounds like you’re making the argument that in modern history, the only scenarios where this has happened were in capitalist societies where the wealthy were the perpetrators

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Anonymous #4 1w

That’s not what I’m saying at all and I’ve made that abundantly clear. If you are misunderstanding, that’s your fault! I’m clearly making the argument that in order for this broad scale global cabal of abusers to exist, capitalism must exist first! I never stated that forms of organized criminal enterprises that engage in similar behavior can’t exist outside of that or originating from the working class, but rather that capitalism creates the conditions that allows for global organized abuse

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

I’ve stated this several times, and the seemingly intentional misunderstanding/straw manning of that argument comes across as incredibly intellectually dishonest

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Just to clarify: your argument is that capitalism is a necessary condition for global organized abuse (including but not limited to children), and it’s not possible under another economic system?

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Anonymous #4 1w

Yea idk why you are acting like I’m not being clear when I definitely am and have been this entire time. Sorry for the wait btw I was busy being a model

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

So we agree that Laos, a communist country, should have no large-scale human trafficking problems right?

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Anonymous #4 1w

No moron. The pervasive system of capital continues to exert influence even on socialist states

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

“Communism” as a system, only exists when there are 0 capitalist countries

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Anonymous #4 1w

Nice try tho dipshit

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

…you’re telling me the reason Laos has a human trafficking problem is because other countries are capitalist?

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Anonymous #4 1w

Also, human trafficking occurring on an individual scale, even if that individual scale is broad, is starkly different than state sponsored abuse committed by the most powerful and influential people in the world. You know this. You won’t admit it tho cause it nukes your entire argument

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Anonymous #4 1w

Explicitly yes I am saying that. Unless you can provide a reason that it occurs in spite of the influence of capital, which you can’t, because it doesn’t!

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Can you explain the mechanism by which an economic system on another part of the globe causes large scale human trafficking that a communist government turns a blind eye to?

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Anonymous #4 1w

Are you really this dumb and need everything spelled out for you like a toddler? Current “communist” countries still operate using capital! Because capital is how you engage in trade! Those countries’ governments exert more influence over said capital than in “capitalist” countries, but they are still fundamentally rooted in capital. If capital disappears, all countries convert to socialism, then we can actually point and say “ok so is this how communism as a fully fledged economic system would

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

function?” However, you attempting to make it seem like a socialist state that continues to operate within the broader global capitalist economic system, is still very obviously affected by capitalism!!! A first grader would be able to understand this better than you

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

You’re failing to explain the mechanism. What exactly causes the presence of capital to translate to human trafficking?

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Anonymous #4 1w

Dawg I’ve explained that at least a dozen times. You not getting it is your fault. I’m no repeating myself again just cause you are stupid as fuck

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

You contradicted yourself btw. If capitalism is a *necessary* condition for this behavior, then this behavior *cannot* exist without capitalism. So you *did* state that it cannot exist without capitalism

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Anonymous #4 1w

You’re taking my words out of context cause I go on to state that I’m saying that it can’t happen on this scale!!!

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Anonymous #4 1w

You are intentionally misrepresenting my argument because you are incapable of producing any substantial argumentation of your own. Pathetic

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

I never said that capitalism is necessary for the *behavior* of organized pedophilia to exist, I stated that in order for it to be allowed to exist in such a large, global scale, involving multiple state intelligence agencies, and the most powerful people on the planet, that capitalism is a necessary condition. This is clear if you can read and aren’t being a dishonest ass

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

But it did. Look at slavery in pre-capitalist societies

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Anonymous #4 1w

Slavery is not comparable to this at all you fucking moron and it didn’t exist as the systemic, coordinated, international system of abuse until Capitalism arises LMFAO

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Do you seriously think kids and women weren’t getting sold and raped by the aristocracy pre-1500 or so?

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Anonymous #4 1w

Show me evidence you dumb fucking prick that this was occurring as a grand scale, coordinated by the state, and involving all the most powerful people on the planet before capitalism. You cannot. Because it wasn’t. And you know this. I’m done with this argument. I refuse to debase myself by arguing with someone who is either painfully stupid and needs help or is this dishonest

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

We agreed that your argument was that capitalism is a necessary condition for global organized abuse. Now you’re saying slavery doesn’t align with global organized abuse? That’s literally what sec trafficking is! Slavery!

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Anonymous #4 1w

Slavery didn’t occur on that type of organized scale until capitalism you fucking idiot

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

It occurred in local instances, typically in the form of war prisoners and conquered nations being used for free labor. But it definitely did not exist as a major coordinated international trade until capitalism!!!!!

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

The root of the word “slave” came about centuries before capitalism did

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Anonymous #4 1w

And it was absolutely global. Slaves were sent all over Eastern and Western Europe and the Gulf

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Anonymous #4 1w

No literally no. International slave trade originated in the 16th century. The same time that capitalism emerged. The origin of the word “slave” is entirely irrelevant to this fact you dishonest dumbass :)

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

“The consensus of the etymology of the word ‘slave’ is simply a coincidence and the Volga slave trade never happened” denying history because you can’t admit when it contradicts your arguments is a bad personality trait and you should reflect

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Anonymous #4 1w

Wow crazy please point to where that states it was a coordinated organization of multiple state actors and allowed for people to commit atrocities that were at that time period viewed as fundamentally immoral, rather than a simple system of economic trade, which although objectively wrong, was not viewed as such at the time

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Anonymous #4 1w

You’ve managed to get me off topic because the fundamental reality is that the slave trade is fundamentally different in nature than the Epstein stuff. You know this

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Hey so slavery has always been fundamentally immoral btw! Reducing it to “a system of economic trade” and “conquered nations being used for free labor” exactly what white supremacists do when they try to downplay the transatlantic slave trade

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

In case you weren’t aware, slavery was exploitation of other humans, not fucking “trade”. I can smell your fucking whiteness.

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Anonymous #4 1w

Lmfaoooo comparing the slave trade to the explicit and stated systemic sexual abuse of children to score political points only makes your argument sound more stupid. You’re doing a disservice to yourself dumb fuck

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

We’re back to square one I guess. Yes or no, do you think children were raped and trafficked as part of the slave trade?

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Slavery apologia is crazy work

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Anonymous #4 1w

Intellectually dishonest idiots like you do tend to see things in people’s arguments that don’t exist so like I said keep chirping :)

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Anonymous #4 1w

Such a baby you reported the comment calling you out for being beneath me. Sionara pussy

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Anonymous dumbegg 1w

Didn’t report it. Not sure what was wrong with it

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