Anonymous #2 6w

Elaborate on that

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Anonymous discotheque 6w

Have you not been paying any attention to how AI companies operate? They advertise themselves as a cheaper alternative to humans then proceed to charge as much as physically possible while cutting as many costs as physically possible, up to and including throttling computing resources dedicated to public services if they feel it’s not as profitable as other ventures

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Anonymous #3 6w

I think an ai bot would be infinitely less racist than an average police officer

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Anonymous #3 6w

even further, what other behaviors would the models pick up from finetuning specifically on training data about working in the police industry, and how would those new behaviors display themselves in the role as dispatcher? given the history of our country and our police system, this is a very slippery road imo

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Anonymous masterdebater6769 6w

I’m not saying that a police officer isn’t more racist, all I’m saying is that an ai bot is able to be trained to be just as racist, or can unintentionally adopt racist ideological beliefs as well. how will that play out in the role of a member of the police force, given the history of our police force? like I have a feeling they’re going to end up adopting the same prejudices the existing cops have

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The ai can stay on the call with the child while still providing help to other callers. The human being on the call comforting the child after they’ve already sent help means another call isn’t getting answered

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Anonymous #1 6w

unless it incorrectly determines that no danger is present, like some dispatchers already do.

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Anonymous masterdebater6769 6w

I don’t know about that. LLMs operate off statistics and probability. Which would seem racist even tho it’s not

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Anonymous #2 6w

You realize there are open source LLMs and you can just rent the server space for it. Or even build your own.

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Anonymous discotheque 6w

Never going to happen in our current system, the major tech companies would throw a fit and make sure they get contracts instead

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Yeah I definitely don’t think there’s going to be 0 human dispatchers any time soon but as far as call triage goes I’m for this.

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Anonymous #2 6w

I really doubt they’d care like at all. The margins would be terrible and the market isn’t that big.

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Anonymous #2 6w

Plus they could through a fit all they want. The voters in your city have the say at the end of the day.

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Anonymous discotheque 6w

I don’t think you understand how this works, the end goal of each individual company is to control as much of the market as possible. They are not going to just sit there and leave an untapped market untapped, and as far as voters making that decision goes look no further than Flock to see how that argument doesn’t fly

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Anonymous #7 6w

This really has nothing to do with the private or public sector

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Anonymous discotheque 6w

in all fairness, there is an active discussion on restricting the open source model market, especially after the recent infiltration of huggingface by openAI (which, apparently, huggingface used an open source deepseek model to held fend off the attack and that made some people upset at both openAI and the current administration)

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Anonymous #2 6w

Yes but if the demand of the police agency is met by the use of an open source LLM that is run on servers the municipality owns then Anthropic or OpenAI or whatever just won’t be able to compete. Also the LAPD literally did not renew their Flock contract BECAUSE of voter pushback.

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Anonymous discotheque 6w

Again, that all relies on the companies not actively lobbying the government to get contracts instead, which we all know is never going to happen And LAPD cancelling a contract because of public pushback still doesn’t negate the overwhelming majority of contracts that were implemented without voter input in the first place

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Anonymous #2 6w

Companies can lobby all they want. If their politician doesn’t get elected then it doesn’t work. To the second point sure. But more people are aware of this now so expect to see what happened in LA happen more widely.

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Anonymous discotheque 6w

The amazing part about lobbying is they don’t even have to get a specific politician elected! Instead they can lobby literally whoever is in office and get what they want whenever they want, regardless of which side is in charge! Lobbying is legal bribery and should be heavily regulated at a minimum

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Anonymous discotheque 6w

Does it not? If an AI dispatcher, most likely designed, developed, and supported by an AI company, is more effective than government employed emergency responders, then the conflict is indeed between the public and private sector

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Anonymous #7 6w

You could probably have like 1 dude set up an open source local model and have it up and running within like a week or two.

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Anonymous #9 6w

Just hold the police department responsible

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Anonymous discotheque 6w

You really think we can trust a police department to hold itself responsible?

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Anonymous #9 6w

Yes back the blue

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Anonymous #9 6w

I mean sometimes dispatchers are part of the police department in some areas they aren’t. I don’t see how the recourse would change.

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Anonymous discotheque 6w

The government already has plenty of precedent for outsourcing AI to private companies, from Anthropic to OpenAI. It’s unlikely that they would do the job in house considering their past actions. Judging based on precedent rather than speculation, the conflict remains between the private vs public sectors.

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