Anonymous #1 1w

No! We need nuance, empathy, and levelheadedness. Just saying "you're wrong" and nothing else is exactly why we have a violent dictator!

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Anonymous #3 1w

Bruh that’s just not true. If your form of “nuance” is rounding up families in a humane way, I’m not hearing that shit.

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Anonymous #1 1w

When did I say that??

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He is directing the EXECUTION of dissidents. Hello??

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Anonymous #1 1w

I couldn’t actually. While I think there is a very loud anti-immigrant base of supporters, I don’t believe that is as hard to walk back policies on. Emphasizing the voter data I believe is more important because it’s a maneuver to solidify control and make things indomitably worse. Now instead of targeting immigrants, the admin is targeting groups of voters for whatever reason they see fit in order to prevent or deny them from voting.

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Anonymous #1 1w

The one issue that liberals and further left people need to be mindful of is trapping themselves in arguments that is against immigration reform(unless you’re the open borders type). There must be some form of border control/illegal immigration enforcement, but it most certainly CANNOT exist in its current form and needs to be thought in detail so that a better alternative is undeniable. Average Americans by default will defer to authority over anarchy, which is why open borders is a trap.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

ICE has only existed in this century and I’d love to see them abolished in it as well

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Anonymous #1 1w

I want to be clear though, this isn’t supportive of ICE or CBP in its current form, but more so leaning into supporting more conducive solutions like finding ways to ease paths to citizenship for those who have been here for years.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

The entire post 9/11 police state is a trap man

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Anonymous #1 1w

ICE is very modern. I think Bush created it? So it’s not even 25 years old.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

I think that we should document all people here and make getting documentation way easy. And I also am for stopping imperialism and ending the destabilization of countries, which causes more people to immigrate

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Anonymous #1 1w

Documentation is a grey area for me. I definitely agree with documentation in a vacuum but the largest issue I struggle with is its possibility to enable authoritarians. It’s the never-ending debate of the state vs privacy.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

IMO documentation allows authorianism because it creates a second class of citizens. It allows workers to be further divided and it allows one group of people to be constantly cycled in and out of work

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Anonymous #1 1w

“Imperialism” is also grey for me. I’m obviously not for the old school landgrab shit, but the Afghanistan invasion is tough for me. I don’t know if we should have been there, but I think we definitely should have stayed and built that nation regardless of how long it took. I believe we had a duty to the women and the youth of that nation to set it right…and we didn’t. This is why I’m typically labeled as a Neo-Liberal, which I don’t really call myself that or deny it either.

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Anonymous #1 1w

I typically don’t get into the Israel/Palestine stuff in regard to the United States stepping and telling Israel to fuck off with its bullshit and is helping build up a Palestinian nation that isn’t full of squalor and death. Essentially, I do believe in the “world police” type of mentality, but thats more idealistic than reality given how the current and past administrations have bungled things. I wouldn’t trust the United States now as an ally or as a neutral party.

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Anonymous ___joker__ 1w

It can be a grey area for you but, it is certainly not a grey area for the people who’s lives have been destroyed in the pursuit of spreading “liberty and justice for all”

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Anonymous #1 1w

For sure, but that’s essentially the crux of the issue that I struggle with most 🤷‍♂️ What good is the ideal version of being the “world police” or feeling some sense of moral duty towards particular issues if everything surrounding them is a quagmire. Japan and Europe are good examples of us rebuilding those nations after harsh wars, but a lot died doing it. I’m not in the business of telling other people they have to go die for to uplift a foreign nation, but I think that’s the real sacrifice

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